MLK said, "I have a dream." And so do I. To see America finally sink back into the quagmire it was born out of, and dissolve completely into nothingness. Because there is no future for America, and there is no hope for a better life here. Time for the rats to abandon the sinking ship. When trump is a frontrunner for the presidency, it's time to destroy what is left and let america burn into total obscurity.
The idea that its downfall into fascism would not have knock-on effects around the world, and that all the ‘good’ people could escape it to greener pastures, is very shortsighted and more than a little naive. It was not destiny that Germany became fascistic, Hitler didn’t even win the popular vote. The knock on effects of the fascists being allowed to win was absolutely devastating the world over. Why would the US becoming full blown fascist be any different?
What would be the practical way to counter a situation where the people actually vote for someone like fascists in a free election? I mean, if you employ the most obvious tool in our species’s toolbox – violence – you will end up with some other sort of catastrophe afaik every single time.
Peaceful protests obviously won’t work against real fascists: they’ll just murder or imprison you.
I suppose governments need to be always vigilant against creating circumstances that make people see fascism as the only way forward, but we’re probably way beyond that working anymore.
violence – you will end up with some other sort of catastrophe afaik every single time.
That sort’ve depends. The Black Army of Ukraine, had they not been betrayed by the communists, probably would’ve resulted in a positive outcome had they been militarily victorious. The same could be said for The Spanish Civil war. And in current times, Rojava is fighting for its right to exist through military means as well, and is managing to hold out thanks to its enemy not being able to completely steamroll them logistically. It is a very risky proposition, in general, since there are usually other elements vying for control, which can end badly (USSR, China, North Korea).
Against overwhelming odds, the best one can do is go underground and attempt sabotage if possible, or escape to safer countries.
Oh I don't believe there are good people around, but I also don't believe anyone will actually escape to "greener pastures." I'm not that naive. I know the only real solution to our dilemma is total nuclear annihilation of all mankind. And that is the best possible outcome we can hope for - I just don't get why we are dragging out this charade of torturing ourselves and each other.
American’s vote for the government and fund it with their taxes. To believe it’s a system with any other purpose than to serve it’s citizens is assenine.
I don’t think you get the comic, or understood how my comment was responding to it.
Also, this is just really condescending. If you’re going to be on the left, you have to learn how to argue in a way that actually convinces people you’re ideas are better. This just makes you sounds like a jerk.
Actually, citizens pay taxes to avoid going to jail or, in the olden days (perhaps soon to be reintroduced), to avoid being killed on the spot.
They vote because when you are locked in a room with no way out, you’ll push one of the buttons in front of you frantically - trying to figure out if, perhaps, they are pushed just like this, you’ll get out.
When you’re not paying taxes or voting, someone richer than Smaug from the Hobbit is cashing in on the rest of your life.
To call this a system that serves its citizens seems… I’m not sure what to call it. Naïve? Misguided? Uninformed?
better than what we had before the whole government thing, if you think this is bad, wait until the warlords come kill you, enslave your children and use your wife as a baby production machine
The warlords are also a government. However, the fact that warlords emerge when government fails shows that government is inevitable, so the best you can do is try to have a good one.
Human organisation and leadership may be an inherent part of us. That is not government…
I find it funny the way people just accept that they are sheep and need someone to protect them from the big bad wolf. And, of course, enlist the big bad wolf to protect them.
This is a bit of an old reply, but I thought I’d post something I stumbled upon here as it’s a response to your fear of warlords: kolektiva.social/…/111290743792188200
From the post (it’s quite extensive with plenty of references):
“Once people are free of state violence and hierarchy, how can they just stop some bad actor from taking over?”
The assumption is that people who are free from coercive hierarchies are powerless to act in their own self defense, alone or in cooperation with each other.
(The question is usually accompanied by some invocation of the dreaded “war lord” whom the questioner assumes will inevitably overrun a nonstate or non-hierarchical community.)
So, I thought I would take a crack at answering this as comprehensively as I can!>>
The assumption is that people who are free from coercive hierarchies are powerless to act in their own self defense, alone or in cooperation with each other.
That’s the problem. Acting alone is not an option since an organized force will always defeat a disorganized one, and “cooperation” would mean forming the same kinds of hierarchies and governments that we already have, except they won’t have the centuries of stress-testing our present democratic systems have undergone and will therefore fall to corruption and authoritarianism much more easily.
This is why anarchism is such a bankrupt ideology. At best it consists of people willing to burn the world down to institute a system that would be the same but worse.
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