Feds probing Amazon self-driving robotaxi unit Zoox after 2 rear-end crashes

tsonfeir, 10 days ago

How many crashes does Elon get?

Veraxus, 10 days ago

Braking suddenly like every other car on the road when something unexpected happens ahead… or did they do it while changing lanes or something?

I generally want to empathize with motorcyclists, but if all it did was stop…

Hawke, 10 days ago

I think the distinction is what a human sees as “something unexpected happened” vs something that the bot sees… is the bot seeing something that isn’t there, or is the human missing something that the bot noticed?

Or did they both notice something and the bot handled it in an unexpected way?

Number one rule of safe driving is to be predictable…

Veraxus, 10 days ago

I agree. There’s not a lot of information in that article… but as a motorcyclist myself, you don’t trust anyone on the road. In fact, it’s safer to assume that every car wants to kill you. And these robots-taxi things apparently only go 35mph to boot.

jmcs, 10 days ago

Rule number 2 of safe driving is assuming the driver in front of you might have to break without warning.

cbarrick, 10 days ago

I’d go so far as to swap these rules

• Rule #1 - Awareness
• Rule #2 - Predictability

Hawke, 10 days ago

Perhaps. They’re two sides of the same coin— awareness protects from unpredictability, and predictability protects from lack of awareness.

Hawke, 10 days ago

To an extent I agree but … there’s a difference between “braking unexpectedly” and “full-service emergency brake application”. People extremely rarely do the latter, and when they do the reason is typically obvious.

I’d say some fault lies with the motorcyclist but… the bots should not be slamming on the brakes at random.

SomeoneSomewhere, 10 days ago

While braking suddenly is something that can happen on the roads, it’s still a potentially dangerous maneuver. It’s often better than the alternative (crashing into something/someone), but there’s still risk involved.

If these vehicles are doing panic stops frequently and unnecessarily, that’s a major problem. It’s a common type of insurance fraud, for starters.

I wouldn’t be surprised to find that the computer has a faster initial braking response whereas it takes time for peoples’ feet to fully depress the brake pedal. A shorter time from the brake lights coming on to the brakes being at full service pressure.