Worth noting that the court found that this was not technically a hate crime because this girl was on a shortlist of a handful of different students they were conspiring to murder. She was unlucky enough to be the first person to respond to their request to meet that day.
You could probably argue that she was more likely to be on the shortlist because of the perpetrator’s transphobia but they had documented plans to murder cis students in their class too.
It is curious. They explained a bit of the court’s reasoning on the news here in the UK. The police had access to all of their chats/communications and apparently there was no transphobia mixed in with their plans for cold blooded murder.
It was their children, engaging in terrorism they support (this is the natural consequence of the rhetoric they spew against LGBTQ+ people), against someone they consider subhuman.
If they haven't expressed their displeasure yet yet, it's because they're waiting for Fox to tell them which spin it needs to be "acceptable."
Remember Kyle Rittenhouse? The judge literally posed for pictures with him, and they turned him into a media darling and will probably run him for office if he can stay relevant and out of jail for a few more years.
I definitely get that this could hypothetically be used by the right wing mediasphere (and likely may. They’re always at the bottom of the barrel, scraping away).
My point is…have they? It just seems weird to me to be up in arms over something we think they might do as it sounds like something they would do.
There is PLENTY of shit they’re already doing that deserves our attention. Like, this is a weird trend I’ve been seeing lately. People photoshopping insane right wing bumper stickers or creating…well…“fake news” and then getting up in arms over it. Like. What. We have so much to worry about. Worrying about stuff that isn’t happening is…fuckin dumb. It almost, like, takes attention away from and dulls the impact of the shit they’re actually doing. It just doesn’t make sense.
You need to stop giving regressives the benefit of the doubt. They will couch their rhetoric in as much plausible deniability as you're willing to extend them, exactly so that you'll go into the comments and carry water for them.
You and I both know beyond a shadow of a doubt that this will be prime fodder for AM talk radio, pulpits, and other bastions of the culture war. They are out there right now saying, "This is sad, but the boy [sic] was confused and was groomed by society." Framing it as grooming, dead naming, etc. is all a way for them to muddy the waters and poison the well. If it isn't blood libel, it's a single step away. Here's one example, I am sure you can find more if you look: https://twitter.com/Jermont_II
The two teens used the pretense of doing cocaine to lure Ghey to the park, where they reportedly used the codeword “gay” to launch the frenzied and deadly attack on the unsuspecting trans teen.
fun fact about prohibition: it’s harder for kids to get booze than it is other drugs because the booze guy has motivation to weed out underage customers whereas the coke guy goes to the same prison for selling to adults as he does for selling to 8 year olds. I was able to get weed, coke and dope in high school pretty easily.
I remember reading an interview with one of the members of the Grateful Dead saying that they never really drank before they did a tour in Canada. Because they were under 21, booze was harder to get than drugs in the US, but the drinking age in Canada at the time was 18, so they were able to easily get booze while there.
It depends on where you live. I grew up in a poor part of Alabama. At 15 I could get you almost anything you wanted. Hell, the parents of some of the kids I grew up with were crack heads.
I remember I was hanging with a kid named Ronnie. Ronnie’s mom was named Connie, and a crack head. We were chillin with his bedroom window open when we heard “psssst hey. Psssssst hey Connie.” We looked out the window and saw one of our other friends moms fiendin. When she saw us she went “Hey Ronnie come here and give me a hug!” It was uncomfortable to say the least.
Ronnie is now serving life in Georgia. He tortured a man to death for the combination to his safe. Being a crackhead and a parent fucks your kids up. There were 3 kids in that house and all of them are varying degrees of fucked.
The oldest hung out with Bill Riccio’s gang. Last I heard she married a cult leader that lives on the river and they had a bunch of kids. She used some group called something like sail away to escape.
Here is an appeal Ronnie filed. I hope this doesn’t break any rules. I figured that since it’s public record it would be ok. But if it’s not please delete.
The youngest got pregnant by one of my other friends when they were like 14. Now no one knows where she is. He is in and out of jail/prison and his mom has the baby. Although she’d be grown as fuck now. Man, time flies.
“If we can’t get [Boy E] tomorrow we can kill Brianna,” Girl X messaged Boy Y in January.
“Yeah, it’ll be easier and I want to see if it will scream like a man or a girl,” Boy Y replied in a reference to Ghey. Boy Y repeatedly misgendered Ghey as “it” throughout his communications with Girl X.
What I read earlier says 'life' in prison and they're waiting to see about about parole or early release. From The Guardian
The judge, Mrs Justice Yip, said she would sentence the pair next month, and would decide whether to lift reporting restrictions so that the killers could be named. She told the teenagers that she would have to impose a life sentence but that she needed to adjourn for further reports to decide on the minimum tariff they must serve.
bad angle shot: we’re gonna know who this is when two children who knew Ghey disappear, and the idea that children can just be disappeared by the government without any transparency scares the shit out of me. I really hope they allow these kids and their (well-deserved) fate to be entered into the public record. I understand anonymity to protect people who’ve not been convicted of a crime but now that we know that they gleefully conspired to brutally murder someone just because they thought they could get away with it and wanted to know what it felt like, what are we actually protecting?
Of course people who know these people personally already know who it is. Not releasing the names of minors accused of crimes is standard practice in the US, too. It happens when minors are tried as adults, though, meaning they get sentences that last beyond 18 years of age. I'm not super familiar with UK practices but I'd expect they will release the names for a crime this serious, and since apparently they're getting decades in prison it doesn't really matter.
that’s the thing, the article says that at sentencing the judge “would decide whether to lift reporting restrictions so that the killers could be named.”
That implies that people can be arrested, charged, tried, sentenced and imprisoned, potentially for their whole lives, under a veil of secrecy. That’s gross and scary.
Oh, so they might not reveal it even if they are sentenced as adults to life. That's a good point. And also true that the public could figure it out anyway from people who know the families involved.
that’s what the article seems to imply, and that’s the scary part, but I’m not a lawyer and I’m certainly not a british lawyer so idk if there’s some statute somewhere that says this all becomes public when they reach the age of majority or some other protection in place.
I’m not sure how much of a difference it makes whether the public knows their names. It’s not like their parents aren’t going to know and can’t tell people or lawyers, and they’d be the only ones who could really do anything if it was a shady situation.
Under the criminal law of England and Wales, a minimum term (formerly “tariff”) is the minimum period that a person serving an indefinite sentence must serve before that person becomes eligible for parole. The sentencing judge bears responsibility for setting the minimum term.
A life sentence is automatic for murder (in the UK). But a life sentence doesn’t mean life in prison. It means that the conviction will never be spent. Convicted murderers typically get a minimum sentence (whole life orders are exceedingly rare) and then it is up to the parole board when they are released. But if they commit any offences while on parole they can be recalled to prison immediately. Jon Venables is a recent example. Convicted as a child in 1993, released in 2001 then recalled (twice) for possession of CSAM.
Boy Y and Girl X should get the stiffest punishment possible. They knew exactly what they were doing. Planned it ahead in great detail. Disgusting trash of society.
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