Kyrrrr,

Everyone is talking about how they don’t have the military power to win a civil war. I can’t get over how 1 day of freezing rain can end electricity in texas for weeks. Their infrastructure couldn’t handle some teens with a DIY hacking blog

2fat4that,
2fat4that avatar

This is so fucking accurate. I don’t think people understand how FRAGILE infrastructure is in Texas. I was there during the “holy shit it’s snowing” event of 2014 and all of south Texas ran out of gas.

snooggums,
snooggums avatar

Yeah, but since 2014 they learned their lesson and upgrad-

HAHA no they fucking didn't. Doing the right thing would require regulations and investments and Texas is against making good decisions.

taanegl,

It’s like that one kid in school that acts all tough, but one slap and they collapse like a cheap lawn chair.

This’ll be Texas if he US military turns it’s gaze inwards. One slap and about 50 years later, some pearl clutching “concerned mothers” will erect statues of Gravy Seals and call them “civil war heroes”.

Let’s hope some of them are black and/or Hispanic, because at least the performative and fake commemorations erected will be diverse and representative this time around.

Ofc you know I’m talking about the Confederate status, because losers do get trophies.

this_1_is_mine,

Confederates the original participation trophy recipients…

IHeartBadCode,
IHeartBadCode avatar

We believe constitutionally we are right.

Did… Did anyone tell them the SCOTUS ruling? /s

034521231,

It was 5-4, so its not strange to disagree with their judgement.

IHeartBadCode,
IHeartBadCode avatar

They are free to disagree, hell I do that about taxes. But that doesn't mean they have legal justification. That's the entire point.

If they're going to cite a piece of paper with rules on it, then they need to understand all the rules written on that same sheet of paper. I can have opinions all day and everyone else can as well. But the second that someone attempts to take that opinion and make a legal argument with it, well then we have to consider all the things within that document.

So if they're going to cite Art. IV § 4

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

They need to also keep in mind Art. III §2 C. 1

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution…

I get that 4 disagreed, but that's not what the rules say that makes a legal argument.

034521231,

I would agree with the texans that the federal government is literally doing illegal action and they should have the right to stop them. It all comes down to what the actual people believe and agree to, and I dont see how anyone can be okay with what is happening at the border and how the federal government is enabling it.

Kid_Thunder,

The federal government is executing the law. If Congress wants tougher border protection remedies, then they should pass a law for it. There is one currently sitting there but some of the GOP doesn't want to support it because it might make the current administration look like it could have been successful if the GOP did jackshit in Congress over the last 8 years.

Also what specifically are the feds doing that is federally illegal?

I mean SCOTUS didn't even provide a dissenting opinion, probably because they'd have to seriously discard the Constitution instead of simply 'interpreting' it in a very odd and twisted way.

034521231,

Gotcha, so the problem here is that you are not aware of the actual facts of what is happening. The government IS actively enabling these people to get across the border. You can say "BUT REPUBLICANS!!!!!!" but under trump it was way down and under biden it is through the roof. I usually dont blame problems on presidents, but this is a biden problem. Biden took out the rules trump had in place and we are reaping the consequences.

Kid_Thunder,

Regardless of how you feel it is still all under the law, even if the law provides a scale for the executive to act on. Congress is free to reduce that but they have not. You should definitely continue to blame the legislatures for not legislating whatever it is you are advocating for.

And you didn't answer as to what law the feds are breaking. Obviously, you should regard the Supremacy Clause in the Constitution when you answer, since that is the highest law in the land.

034521231,

Cool, so the government can just break laws because they are told to?

The law they are breaking is the "Illegal" part of illegal imigration. They are assiting people in getting into the country, and I would be they are also required to stop people if they see them breaking the law.

Kid_Thunder,

The active assistance provided is via visas and granting asylum which are all regulated by law. Laws passed by Congress.

Cool, so the government can just break laws because they are told to?

I don't know how you got that from what I said, unless you mean to imply the federal government is breaking 'the law' by following laws passed by Congress.

034521231,

They are actively helping them enter the country, and the current president overrode what trump did with executive orders. Have you not noticed that it greatly increased in severity over the last three years?

Kid_Thunder,

Executive orders come from the executive and is their prerogative. Regardless of that, aren't actually law anyway.

The GOP has failed you in spite of having the power to do what they wanted. They've proven they can't get their agenda done when controlling the entire government but that's somehow President Biden's fault I guess for both being their only hurdle against all them and also at the same time telling their base that he's bumbling, barely conscious moron...which they can't overcome.

You should be pissed at them and yet you're blaming an elected President for doing exactly what you'd expect a DNC candidate to do but you aren't blaming the GOP for not doing what you'd expect elected RNC candidates across the board to do.

You can go ahead and have the last word on this if you want but you've pretty much failed to prove any of your points in my opinion.

034521231,

I am not a republican. Are you blaming republicans for the action of the current president?

Reverendender,
@Reverendender@lemmy.world avatar

No no, it’s what they believe.

PrincessLeiasCat,

Feels before reals ¯*(ツ)*/¯

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

Texit would be a huge boon for Mexico, because it would create a buffer state to protect them from America 🤭

meco03211,

Texas finally secedes

“We should have built that wall when we had the chance.” - Mexico.

azimir,

… And somehow the GOP found a way to make Mexico pay for the wall. It just cost the Republic itself.

superduperenigma,

If Texas secedes the cartels will be running the place by the end of the week.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I can’t wait for these cowards to back down. And they will back down. They have nothing to fight the U.S. government with.

034521231,

[Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq have entered the chat]

Deceptichum,
Deceptichum avatar

All countries on the other side of the world.

034521231,

The last three countries, and its been trillion dollar debacles. And that is not including funding losing wars like Ukraine.

2fat4that,
2fat4that avatar

Losing? Nothing about Ukraine is losing to Russia.

034521231,

What is the average age of a Ukrainian soldier today? I will save you a google, it is about 43 up a decade from the start of the war. How is that not on the verge of a loss?

Deceptichum,
Deceptichum avatar

Russias increased it maximum age to start using more older people because they’re running out of younger ones. They’re also resorting to bringing in people from as far as Tibet to recoup their loses. Its lost 90% of the forces it started with.

How is Russia not on the verge of loss?

034521231,

Cool, russia just has a lot more people so they can outlast them. Do you not understand the implication of their average soldiers age going up to 43?

Deceptichum,
Deceptichum avatar

Do you not understand the implication of increasing your conscription age because you can’t get enough young people?

034521231,

You mean the thing that Ukraine had do also do because they have a smaller population? What I am saying isnt controversial, its just the not the propaganda take the media is giving right now.

Deceptichum,
Deceptichum avatar

A war on US soil would dwarf the response of all 3 of those wars combined.

Money isn't an issue, political willpower is and that issue goes away when it's on home soil.

034521231,

Yes it would dwarf all of those due to the shear disaster and cluster fuck it would be. It would literally be the most unwinnable war the US has ever been involved in. And yes, money is an issue.

snooggums,
snooggums avatar

Found the overconfident Texan.

034521231,

Or maybe someone from Idaho that spent two years in Iraq and know how impossible the situation would be.

snooggums,
snooggums avatar

If you think Texas is anything like Iraq then you really need to touch grass again sometime soon.

Machinist3359,

Most Texans want to be American, and many Texit folks would instantly regret it. Very different than those other conflicts.

Recapture wouldn't be worse than an occasional right wing mass shooting which, sadly, is the status quo already.

034521231,

I think it really depends no the structure of the Texit. If it were a matter of the same ability to travel and to trade, then Texit would be great. If the US federal government got butt hurt and wanted to make it harder, then it would be worse for everyone and the rest of the country would probably fall apart. The problem is that the federal government is so big we all have to live by very similar laws, so no one is happy.

MagicShel,

I say let them have at it and see if Texit goes any better then Brexit. I think they’ll come crawling back in a few years with a lot more humility.

FfaerieOxide,
FfaerieOxide avatar

They won't do anything "back" because they aren't allowed to leave in the first place.

Trying gets them shot but it won't get them their own country.

TransplantedSconie,

Fuck that. Get out all the good ones, wall it off, and let them go all mad max for a while.

It’s what they want isn’t it?

No regulation, everyone armed to the teeth, and a state government encouraging it.

vaultdweller013,

Itd become akin to the Zone in STALKER, but instead of smuggling out artifacts its the organs of some random you shot at 300 meters.

IdiosyncraticIdiot,

It will be interesting to see what the Border Patrol union does. It seems as though they are on Texas’ side…

From NBPC Twitter Friday, 1/26:

Rank-and file BP agents are not going to start arresting TX NG members for following their LAWFUL orders.

That’s fake news. TX NG and rank-and-file BP agents work together and respect each other’s jobs. Period. If TX NG members have LAWFUL orders, then they have to carry out those orders.

TX NG members realize that rank-and-file BP agents have their orders as well. Lawful orders, no matter how unpopular or distasteful amongst rank-and-file agents, must be followed. Unlawful orders (as determined by competent legal counsel and not what some outhouse lawyer behind a keyboard says) will not be followed.

Rank-and-file BP agents appreciate and respect what TX has been doing to defend their state in the midst of this catastrophe that the Biden Admin has unleashed on America.

We want to be perfectly clear, there is no fight between rank-and-file BP agents and the TX NG, Gov. Abott, or TX DPS. It may make flashy headlines, but it simply isn’t true.

in the midst of this catastrophe that the Biden Admin has unleashed on America.

That almost sounds like they would strike instead

ref

FlyingSquid, (edited )
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Let them strike. This isn’t between Texas and the border patrol anymore. This is between Texas and the federal government. The next step is to federalize the Texas National Guard just like Eisenhower did in Arkansas to support racial integration in schools.

Edit: Also, wow, that union Twitter page is just openly shilling for Trump.

snooggums,
snooggums avatar

Edit: Also, wow, that union Twitter page is just openly shilling for Trump.

Weak men love someone who pretends to be a strong man!

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  • maness300,

    Why are you so insecure?

    graycube,

    Treason.

    PrincessLeiasCat,

    In an interview on Fox News’ Sunday Morning Futures with host Maria Bartiromo, Patrick said that Texas does not want a confrontation with the Biden administration. However, when asked by Bartiromo whether this situation will “turn into a civil war,” Patrick responded by reiterating that Texas has a constitutional right.

    “We believe constitutionally we are right, we have a right to defend our citizens, we have a right to defend this country and we are just doing our job. These young women and men who serve our National Guard and our DPS these are the best of the best why would he want to send anyone down to confront them,” he said.

    Ok - so on Dan Patrick…I would encourage everyone to look up just how big of a piece of shit this guy is. As horrible as Abbott & Attorney General Ken Paxton are, this guy is somehow worse. You don’t hear about him as much because he’s the Lt. Gov, but in Texas that position carries a lot of power.

    Anyway, here you go:

    Patrick opposes abortion in cases of incest and rape.

    Patrick has supported placing creationism within the public school curriculum in Texas

    In 2021, Patrick supported legislation to prevent public schools from requiring that students read writings by prominent civil rights figures, such as Susan B. Anthony, Cesar Chavez, and Martin Luther King Jr., when covering women’s suffrage and the civil rights movement in social studies classes.

    As Lieutenant Governor, Patrick moved to keep National Guard troops sent to the Texas-Mexico border during the illegal immigration surge of 2014 indefinitely.

    In 2014, after a federal court ruled that Texas’ ban on same-sex marriage was unconstitutional, Patrick expressed his opposition to same-sex marriage, and vowed to fight such court decisions should he be elected to the Lt. Governor’s office.

    In 2022, Patrick’s campaign sent out a mass mailing to Republican voters across Texas with inaccurate instructions on how to send requests for absentee ballots. The mailing included return envelopes that were addressed to the Texas secretary of state’s address when they should have been to local election offices. Patrick’s campaign defended the inaccurate instructions, saying it “gave voters an added layer of comfort” not to have to mail sent to “Blue County election officials.”

    In 2019, Patrick opposed a bill that would have decriminalized simple possession of cannabis in Texas.

    Patrick is a strong supporter of maintaining Confederate monuments on public display, despite opposition from civil rights groups who consider the statues as a defense of the institution of slavery and of the Civil War.

    Patrick again garnered controversy on April 21, when he defended his previous comments on the pandemic by saying "And what I said when I was with you that night, there are more important things than living.”

    After the 2019 El Paso shooting, Patrick listed factors that he believed contributed to the shooting, starting off with video games, saying, “We’ve always had guns, always had evil, but I see a video game industry that teaches young people to kill.”

    At a political rally for President Trump on October 17, 2019, Patrick told a crowd of 20,000 that liberals “are not our opponents, they are our enemy.”

    Reverendender,
    @Reverendender@lemmy.world avatar

    OK, serious question. Does this guy go home at the end of the day, and pour himself what I assume is a glass of orphan blood on the rocks, and think about the things he’s done and genuinely feel good about himself?

    PrincessLeiasCat,

    It wouldn’t surprise me tbh

    Hyperreality,

    Civil war cosplay, in the run-up to an election.

    white_shotgun,

    Another reason not to visit the place

    bradorsomething,

    I’m skipping the eclipse. I can go to more stable parts of the world than Texas.

    azimir,

    You wouldn’t want to be caught there when the cecdee happens anyway.

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