atempuser23,

I love how Russia public military success plan involves the US getting bored of funneling money to defense contractors without any US or US contractor loss of life.

Good luck with that.

Redo11,

Zapierdol these jebane kurwy please.

Dagwood222,

Old joke.

Reporter is interviewing a Polish general. "If Poland were to be attacked by Germany and Russia at the same time, which army would you go after first.?’

‘The Germans.’

‘Why?’

‘Business before pleasure.’

PugJesus,
PugJesus avatar

A classic. Along with:

A Polish man finds a genie in a lamp, who gives him three wishes. The Polish man thinks, then says, "I wish the Mongols would pillage their way into Poland, and then go back home to Mongolia." The genie, confused, complies, and Poland is ravaged by the Mongol hordes.

"Again." the Polish man says. Dutifully, the genie obeys, sending the Mongols across the steppe to pillage Poland again.

"Again!" the Polish man cries.

The genie complies, but at long last, cannot hold his tongue. "You could have had anything!" the genie says, "Why wish for the Mongols to pillage your own country?"

The Polish man smiles and taps his head. "Ah, but to get to Poland and back to Mongolia, they have to pillage their way through Russia twice."

Dagwood222,

Ooooh, I forgot that one!

HawlSera,

I’d love “America First”, if it was about giving aid to all the hungry homeless Americans instead of paying other nations to blow shit up or to fufill a religious prophecy…

Sadly it’s just a Racist Dogwhistle

PugJesus,
PugJesus avatar

Some shit needs to be blown up, like genocidal invaders.

traveler,

When will people understand that actions across borders are very important to the country’s safety. If Russians are able to go through Ukraine, the threat would be on NATO countries, which could end up being the start of the WW3.

TheLurker,

Oh look it’s another tankie bootlicker using strawman arguments.

Everyone feel free to point and laugh.

HawlSera,

I’m not a tankie… I just want single payer healthcare

baru,

I just want single payer healthcare

That would cost less than what is spent now. So why pretend it is blocked by unrelated topics?

TheLurker,

Then you are massively uniformed and need to read a history book or shut up.

Not opposing Putin would cost FAR more in the long term.

Also…

Most of the equipment is obsolete or excess stock.

A lot of the financial aid is under the lend lease program meaning Ukraine has to pay a percentage back.

The US subsides the oil industry to the tune of $20 billion a year, so how about you start there.

I’m not big on war but Putin needs to be stopped and while it is costing us in the west some money. It’s costing Ukrainians their lives.

So show a little fucking gratitude.

NoiseColor,

They don’t really send the best stuff, but old stuff that would be decommissioned.

ChicoSuave,

The amazing part is how the Ukrainian front lines use the old stuff to such great effect. Imagine if they had new stuff like ATACMs?

NoiseColor,

Hopefully soon. If they allow atacms, Germany will also give taurus.

Etterra,

When “the old stuff we were gonna just sell on eBay” tops the enemy’s “top of the most corrupt line in the world” then that’s really a misleading statement.

Ignacio,
Ignacio avatar

I really miss those countryballs.

SubArcticTundra,
@SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

Poland being based as always

TimeNaan,

Poland is almost never “based”. Source - am a Pole.

This is the exception, solidarity with Ukraine.

JebanuusPisusII,

Can confirm. I’m a Pole too.

SubArcticTundra,
@SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

Oh sorry to hear that :-/ I forgot I wasn’t on r/2visegrad4you

lol3droflxp, (edited )
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It’s actually:

  1. US 42.8 bn

  2. Germany 7.5 bn

  3. UK 6.6 bn

  4. EU Institutions 5.6 bn

  5. Poland 3 bn

(This list is military aid only.)

Getting a bit tired of the Poland strong propaganda.
Source: Ukraine Support Tracker, ifw Kiel.

PugJesus,
PugJesus avatar

This is military aid only.

Yes, it literally says "Military aid" at the top

lol3droflxp,
lol3droflxp avatar

Edited my comment to clarify that I meant my list. Overall aid would look different US > EU > UK > Germany > Japan > Canada > Poland

lescher,

Also the EU funds are mainly paid for by the net-payers in the EU Like france, Germany etc.

Also the estimated value for the old polish Tank that we’re transfered was weirdly high

surewhynotlem,

Do you also believe a flat tax is fair?

Country, Spend, GDP, % of GDP

Poland, 3, 679.4, 0.44%

US, 42.8, 23320, 0.18%

Germany, 7.5, 4260, 0.18%

UK, 6.6, 3131, 0.21%

cacheson,
cacheson avatar

Do you also believe a flat tax is fair?

I think you might be looking for the term "head tax", as in each person pays a fixed amount regardless of any other characteristics.

lol3droflxp,
lol3droflxp avatar

Then Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania would be top three in that order with Poland only paying half as much in %GDP as Estonia

PugJesus,
PugJesus avatar

Estonia 💪💪💪💪💪💪

hemko,

Baltics have special hatred on vatniks

Pietrasagh,

Were doing what we can. I wouldn’t call it propaganda. Please also consider each country GDP. Everyone have limited resources. Poland GDP is 5 times smaller than Germany or Japan and 36 times smaller than US

PsychedSy,

The US also is kind of built up to be able to almost single handedly be NATO. Our defensive strategies involve using EU countries as bases. We have a vastly different goal with our military stockpiles. (Other than making defense contractors money I mean.)

lol3droflxp,
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Well it is when the piss party is trying to convince everyone that Poland is the only country in the EU really helping, especially vs Germany.

SaakoPaahtaa,

Idc, I could die for the glory of Poland

Rin,

POLSKA GÓRĄ 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

It probably swings back toward the scenario depicted if you divide the amount given by the total amount that those countries have available to give, but yeah, good to keep real figures in mind while we have our fun.

Etterra,

It’s an old comic dude. Also you’re missing the joke as well as any historical context.

Poland has been through the wringer for centuries and even ceased existing for a while. Having some issues and hating Russia are some of the least unlikely results.

lol3droflxp,
lol3droflxp avatar

Ok

JohnDClay,

They’re probably old numbers in the comic. Do you have per capita aid figures? Rough calculations say

US $130/p

Germany $90/p

UK $99/p

EU Institutions $13/p (this one is weird since countries are also contributing separately?)

Poland $79/p

Aid as a share of GDP would also be interesting.

lol3droflxp,
lol3droflxp avatar

On the source website there is quite a bit more. The EU stuff is funded by a share of approximately .2 % of GDP by all EU members in addition to their individual aid.

JohnDClay,

You mind linking it? I’d love to take a look.

lol3droflxp,
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