Nintendo is going after the developers of the open source switch emulator Yuzu

Seriously what is this? Nintendo argues that by instructing users how to extract the prod.keys from their own switch the yuzu developers are essencially infringing on the DMCA.

So what? Now you can’t even freely use your own property anymore because it goes against the design intentions of some big company that just want’s to milk their users?

Nintendo goes directly after this argument in its lawsuit, arguing that buying a Switch game only means you “have Nintendo’s authorization to play that single copy on an unmodified Nintendo Switch console.”

clot27,
@clot27@lemm.ee avatar

Were they sleeping for almost a decade now? Doesn’t the prod keys users extract belong to them? Fuck capitalism

PropaGandalf,

Obviously not ^^

Azzu,

No you misunderstood, when you bought your switch you didn’t buy the hardware and the software on it, you only bought the right to use the hardware and software. It still belongs to Nintendo, and you better watch out you do nothing bad with it!

rogersniper,

The thing is, Apple already went through the same lawsuit against jailbreaking a while back and lost. I don’t think Nintendo is going to like where this goes.

merthyr1831,

They’re not betting on winning. They’re betting on Yuzu developers being too poor to fight back

Blaiz0r,

This is Nintendo’s point, making use of the prod keys goes against the DMCA

pivot_root,

If Nintendo can prove that the primary purpose of Yuzu is to circumvent Nintendo’s encryption, there is a very real and very scary chance they could win the lawsuit.

17 USC §1201 (a)(2)

No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that—

(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title;

(B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; or

© is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that person’s knowledge for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.

binomialchicken,

I’m no lawyer so I could be completely off-base, but I think the existence of homebrew can make all 3 points defensible, depending on what evidence exists about their primary intent being breaking the DRM. If they have posted publicly things like “this patch should bypass DRM for this particular game” then they would be screwed, but posts like “supports/extends this feature so we can better emulate the functionality in this particular game” should be fine? At least if I understand the precedent set by the Connectix ruling in addition to the wording of what you pasted?

ColeSloth,

It’s less about being right and more about Yuzu devs willing to spend a million dollars to defend themselves and risk a tens of millions of dollars ruling against them. The best case Yuzu will have is winning and court costs. Worse case is owing God knows how much to Nintendo. The system is bullshit.

pivot_root,

The system is absolutely bullshit. If this makes it into a courtroom, the odds will likely be even further stacked against Yuzu. The chance of getting a judge that goes out of his/her way to understand the technical arguments is extremely low, and it’s a lot easier to argue that unauthorized decryption is bypassing something than it is to argue that software needing to do it to work isn’t primarily designed to do it.

Unless the EFF steps in and bankrolls Yuzu, the most realistic case here is that they settle out of court and Nintendo gets exactly what they want.

ZugZug,

I fucking hate Nintendo buytI do like to pirate their games.

kaffiene,

I fear regardless of the merits of the case, that Nintendo will just batter Yuzu with lawyers until they win.

hswolf, (edited )
@hswolf@lemmy.world avatar

they will never win, it’s an open source code, anyone can fork an re-distribute It, they can’t realistically lawsuit tens of thousands of people, some of which sre totally incognito

kaffiene,

I wasn’t suggesting the code would lose, I was suggesting the company would lose.

fsxylo,

So now in addition to “right to repair” we now need a “right to break” so companies can disappear off the planet if they try this shit.

SitD,

they (nintendo) could sell me their games any day, I’m waiting to give them my hard earned money. just gonna sit over here with my sustainable linux non e-waste silicon and look at my nice pile of money now, don’t mind me 🥰

RDAM_Whiskers,

Well that program is downloaded now.

itsnotits,

wants* to milk their users

PropaGandalf,

yes :)

therealjcdenton,

Maybe instead of going after a way to make switch games more accessible to people outside of your ecosystem, you should expand your ecosystem to include them.

datavoid,

Where do we donate for legal fees?

cyclohexane,

It’s futile. You are no match against a multi national corporation.

onlinepersona,

Give up, you are no match against the universe, time, gravity and other powers. Just end it. Why even bother continuing.

Could you stop with your nihilism?

CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

Linus_Torvalds, (edited )

a) Your license footer is really cool! I will start including it as well.

b) Aren’t quotes a bit problematic, as you include them in your work? This one is probably fine, as you (quite artistically) paraphrased it but direct quotes would be a problem, right?

CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

twei,

You sure you don’t want to keep your comments GPLv2-only?

isVeryLoud,

IMO the license footer is a bit sovereign-citizen-y, and likely unenforceable.

AliasAKA, (edited )

I think the Creative Commons would fail to apply to the source material, but using the source material should be fair use in almost every context on Lemmy.

onlinepersona,

a) 💖

b) I’m not entirely sure how quotes should work. I imagine that if you quote such licensed text immediately after, it’s quite obvious who you’re quoting. But if you quote it on some blog somewhere out in the interwebs, proper attribution must be given.
Newspapers do have to attribute whatever they quote (and if they’re respectable, they will) because they’re trying to earn money with it, but beyond that… no idea. I’m not a lawyer.
Good question though

CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

ddkman,

But he is right though. If Nintendo really wants it gone they’ll just pull a sony-bleem. As long as there is no real regulation for this stuff, there is not much you can do.

PropaGandalf,

Patreon?

Imhotep, (edited )

Which emulator should I use for the latest Zelda on Linux?

CEMU and BotW worked great. Yuzu wasn’t really working at the time but maybe it’s the better option now?

domi,
@domi@lemmy.secnd.me avatar

I played TotK start to end on yuzu on release in 4k with ultrawide and 60 fps mod, little to no issues.

BotW is also very playable now on yuzu, development sped up drastically when TotK released.

DragonOracleIX,

You can also try ryujinx if you can’t get yuzu to work.

Vampiric_Luma,
@Vampiric_Luma@lemmy.ca avatar

Ryu has always been my preference <3 never liked the Yuzu interface for some reason.

woodgen,

The latest Zelda was not released on any other console than Switch, so Yuzu is the only way. Works great on the Steam Deck as well.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please,

Yuzu isn’t the only Switch emulator. Ryujinx is another one, for instance.

azenyr,

Streisand effect is currently very active on this one. Thousands of news outlets, many extremely casual and geared towards average joes who never new emulation existed, are now all being told that “this thing called yuzu can play switch games for free”. Nintendo is shooting themselves in the foot. Even if Yuzu dies, it will get forked and people who never knew emulation existed, now do, and look for alternatives.

zarenki,

instructing users how to extract the prod.keys from their own switch

Yuzu’s quick start guide links to the old download link for Lockpick RCM from the same repo that is still inaccessible ever since Nintendo’s DMCA takedown last year (source: arstechnica). They never updated the page to link to any mirrors of Lockpick RCM or any other options to extract the keys; the guide doesn’t even work right now. You can see in Yuzu site’s changelog on github that the only changes made to that page in the last year are to minimum/recommended hardware requirements.

It seems even more absurd to argue that instructions are somehow infringing when the allegedly infringing part of them has already been broken for almost a year. Even the standing for taking down Lockpick RCM in the first place seems questionable, and telling users to use it with a broken link seems several layers further detached from that.

PropaGandalf,

Just owning lockpicks does noy make you a thief.

zarenki,

Ethically, I agree with you. More than that, using a lockpick on a lock you bought shouldn’t make you a thief. Unfortunately, DMCA has abysmal anti-circumvention measures that make the legality of using a device you own in ways you should be able to become questionable under US law, in the digital equivalent of Master Lock suing you for picking a lock you bought from them.

PropaGandalf,

Who said that I would use them? Maybe I just want them laying around and collecting dust? /s

_haha_oh_wow_,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

Unfortunately, a lot of places have insanely draconian laws regarding “criminal tools”.

SturgiesYrFase,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

Depends where younlive

danc4498,

Never heard of this thing. Does it work well?

fishbone,

No firsthand experience (yet. Subject to change soon though) but i’ve heard reports across the board that switch emulation is often superior to actual switch performance. I heard plenty of times that Pokemon scarlet/violet can run at 60 fps with no dips at all, where my switch struggled to hit 30 in some areas.

franklin,
@franklin@lemmy.world avatar

Yuzu and Riyujinx (another switch emulator) work great, expect a bit of setup though

delirious_owl,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Streisand effect :)

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

It is morally ethical to pirate products from companies like Nintendo, Adobe, Apple et al. (Add all corporations to become a pirate captain.)

InputZero,

Imo, obtaining, distributing and consuming pirated IP is a grey area. Selling pirated IP is not okay. Interwebs pirates should share, not sell.

HexesofVexes,

Welcome to the age of the licence, where you pay to be given permission to use something in a specific way.

7heo,
@7heo@lemmy.ml avatar

This is nothing new. There is no “age of the licence”. “Intellectual property” is much of what modern “capitalism” is about, and has been for several decades.

The initial idea of capitalism was to have capital to back up your activity, and use that activity to develop your capital. The capital was composed of whatever you could “retain” as yours, by your own means. Meaning you had to get the skills, you had to actively retain the capital, etc. So it was self limiting. One cannot possibly retain more than one estate or learn more than a couple lines of work all by themselves.

But then, people started selling services in addition to goods, and those who had capital quickly realised that it was far more profitable to pay someone a fraction of their capital to extend their possibility beyond their own means.

So capitalism became some kind of club: if you already had established trust with a group that let you grow capital beyond your own means, you could effortlessly obtain capital, and grow it steadily, with virtually no limits. It was then still possible to become part of that club (given some starting capital and an ever increasing amount of work).

However, that changed in the 70s when nixon decided to abandon the gold standard in 1971. This move essentially got rid of the need for a tangible capital, and allowed the mental concept of “trust” to be the only necessary metric by which capital is measured.

This is the exact reason people like trump can strive. Con artists love this system, because they only need their skills, which consist solely of lying, to develop any amount of wealth, out of thin air.

The damage effected by nixon on the north american societies, and by extension on the western societies, and by transaction, on all societies worldwide, will only be truly understood in centuries, by historians, when our epoch will be studied as a static set of facts, rather than a dynamic stream of information of varying veracity.

Anyway, to the point: this in itself was the beginning of the end of capitalism as a meaningful economic system. But it wasn’t the last blow to its integrity. Progressively, Intellectual Property, a falsehood according to which information exhibits the same set of properties as matter, went on to relentlessly turn capitalism into a kleptocracy.

Since the 80s, and the advent of computing, information has taken an ever more important part in society. And with it, “intellectual property”.

By now, any capitalist with the “title to” an information can effectively forbid anyone else from having that idea.

This is the actual problem. That and the imaginary money. It allows all kind of abuse, and it does so nonlinearly. Which is an especially bigger problem now that anyone can automate nearly anything.

People naturally have issues understanding nonlinear progressions, and that is why Ponzi schemes work. And, also, why no meaningful majority rebels against our current system. They simply are unable to truly understand it.

Diabolo96,

According to what scott ross from the accursed farm youtube channel discovered, you actually don’t have the right to own the software you bought ! if you live in US

_haha_oh_wow_,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

If buying isn’t owning, the piracy isn’t stealing.

Shit, piracy isn’t stealing either way if you ask me but that’s another debate entirely.

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