Nintendo is going after the developers of the open source switch emulator Yuzu

Seriously what is this? Nintendo argues that by instructing users how to extract the prod.keys from their own switch the yuzu developers are essencially infringing on the DMCA.

So what? Now you can’t even freely use your own property anymore because it goes against the design intentions of some big company that just want’s to milk their users?

Nintendo goes directly after this argument in its lawsuit, arguing that buying a Switch game only means you “have Nintendo’s authorization to play that single copy on an unmodified Nintendo Switch console.”

superfes,

My favorite thing about the modern world is how we don’t get to own the computers we purchase…

OKaybin,

I love how people just keep giving such companies money.

umbrella,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

is there a choice? every machine is like this now.

bss03,

I build my own. Though I still need non-free software to run, I don’t think it is from any DMCA enforcers.

System76 is not too bad if you want something mildly customizable but don’t want to futz with doing assembly yourself. I get my laptops from them.

I’ve tried open phones (multiple) and I still use a Pixel. There is a choice, but I was willing to trade off my freedom for function there. I wish that wasn’t the choice and when I can I support efforts to make it easier for people to choose freedom there.

So, yeah, there is often a choice. Doesn’t make the status quo acceptable.

entropicdrift,
@entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I build my main PCs from parts. Have since I was a kid and I always will because of bullshit like this.

Every other device I have can serve as a dumb terminal connected to my main PC via either SSH or Moonlight.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Not sure. ThinkPads are desktop equivalents in portable form and have no equivalent in portable form. Boutique Linux laptop companies can do the same, but are incomparable as far as aftersales, third party parts availability and user repairability guides go.

Desktops are open but not portable.

entropicdrift,
@entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Framework seems promising, considering how good support for the upgrades and repairs for the 13 have been.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

But ThinkPads have been sold in millions for a couple decades at this point. There will always remain that gap.

entropicdrift,
@entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Sure, and in terms of extended warranty and aftermarket parts the support is probably better/more guaranteed on a Thinkpad, but in terms of repairability, Framework sells the only 2 laptops that iFixit gave a 10/10

So I was just adding it on to your analysis. I’d say that warrants consideration, at least.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

If you can afford Framework, it can be a better pick, but ThinkPad is a safer and more economical pick for people with lesser budget. I do not think Framework is greedy, but it is more for “first world” ultracapitalist country residents.

umbrella,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

Laptops in general are portable but not modular/repairable.

Its a tradeoff, but it wouldnt be impossible to fix it.

squid_slime,
@squid_slime@lemmy.world avatar

Most desktops have a freely accessible ROMs, its definitely getting worse though but most consoles are a portal to subscriptions

MotoAsh,

Yes. You never and have never HAD to buy Nintendo.

umbrella,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

oh i meant more like computing devices in general, but fair enough, thats part of the reason im more like a pc person.

MotoAsh,

Yea, Microsoft is rapidly making Linux a MUCH more attractive OS, especially in spite of their effort to keep DirectX off of it.

umbrella,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

thank god for the ability to install any OS you please on computers.

imagine if you were locked to windows like phones are to android/ios.

MotoAsh,

They’re trying. It’s one reason they wanted to require a TPM 2.0 module. It doesn’t allow it itself, but it makes hardware MUCH easier to identify and block off hardware regardless of MS accounts and go further in the future.

j4k3,
@j4k3@lemmy.world avatar

There is no such thing as justice in courts. Lawsuits are corporate weapons.

Like (first hand experience in California) if you do not have 100k in liquid assets available right now, and you get injured by someone else, you’re not going to get jack shit for some lawsuit. You can’t navigate it on your own because of all the bullshit, and you’ll need lots of “expert witnesses”. Here is a little secret, expert witnesses are all academic opinion mercenaries that cost around 6k-10k each on an open market. You’ll need a bunch of them to counter whatever the other side does. In the USA it is all a formality in court. Whoever buys the most mercenaries wins the game. The insurance company or firm on retainer gets a bulk discount on mercenaries. The Supreme Court is not the only extremely corrupt institution here. Right, wrong, it’s all irrelevant. We are all worthless serfs in neo feudalism.

haui_lemmy,

Dude. Can we make a giant list called america bad and put all the dystopian shit on it and pull it out when any idiot comes around and tries to defend that corporate shithole of a country?

I mean, I‘m frustrated and embarrassed of the country I live in but stories like this make me feel like I‘d surely be dead by now if I was in the US (where my mother grew up btw).

Like, why dont people who can just move? Especially the IT peeps who make tons of money should immediately go for northern europe. Everyone speaks english, the corpos are not half as strong (afaik) and people are friendly (my personal experience). The US would scream in terror if their top talent would start to move away. If the election this year goes bad, just vote with your feet folks.

steal_your_face,
@steal_your_face@lemmy.ml avatar

Tech pays way more in the US than anywhere else.

haui_lemmy,

With everything else being more expensive…

Although I only know this to be true for germany. No idea about nordic countries. They’re generally more awesome than germany in most regards. Only downside is the light situation.

floofloof, (edited )

Many things are cheaper in the USA than in Europe or Canada. The downside is the USA’s poor healthcare, public services, workers’ rights and justice system, and (probably) having to live under proper fascism soon.

HungryJerboa,

It does exist: that’s what Late Stage Capitalism was all about.

haui_lemmy,

I dont understand. Can you elaborate?

delirious_owl,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_capitalism

swearengen, (edited )

Like, why dont people who can just move?

Kind of a catch-22.

America is the best country in the world, if you’re rich. Once someones earning a lot and saved up move to New Zealand money the appeal isn’t as strong for most.

immediately go for northern europe

Oof. That’s akin to moving there in 1938. Bit of a risky proposition to say the least.

I wouldn’t move there now if allowed and I don’t even have illegally move to Mexico money.

haui_lemmy,

Indeed. The people who desperately need to leave cant and those who could arent in hot water, yet. Thats why I think folks who are being laid off by tech overlords should consider rooting it all up rn. Because your employer cant fire you in germany without cause or has to provide means to find a new job. I was talking about nordic countries earlier but this system is pretty awesome, even if everything else is meh atm.

harry_balzac,

It costs a lot more money than most Americans have available, especially if wanting to move to the EU or Canada and want to work.

I can speak Mexican Spanish and have considered moving there. The biggest obstacle are the Americans who want a cheap version of the US and are essentially colonizing these towns.

If I move to Mexico (or any other country), I want to experience that culture, not displaced American consumerism.

haui_lemmy,

I sympathize with the money issue. But thats also why I intentionally said it would be good if peeps with well paying jobs/skills move away because

a) they can set an example without ruining themselves b) the absence of top talent will make much bigger waves then others which might change the course over time c) the economy needs to break for the system to change which will go faster if people who drive it leave

Obviously, folks with minimum wage are in dire need of help but I dont have a solution to this just yet. The most manageable seems to be the above atm.

The only alternative I see is mass strike which might lead to looting when people need to decide between striking and eating. So a massive escalation that I cant seriously suggest.

TimeSquirrel,
TimeSquirrel avatar

The people who have the means to just uproot everything and move to another country on a whim are probably not the same people who are struggling to live here, and so the incentive there is to not really care because they're comfortable where they are.

We aren't really taught to give much of a shit about our fellow citizens here. There isn't any kind of social cohesion, it's everyone for themselves. We saw the US's true colors when we tried to get everybody vaccinated.

haui_lemmy,

Yes indeed. All true statements imo. My mother also has this in her personality, growing up in the US. Dont look, dont care. Cruel if you see other families (especially southern european) treat their family and friends like the best thing in the world.

The issue I see is that being comfortable today doenst mean you‘re safe. If you make 100+k a year and get fired to bolster the stock price is not comfortable. You can have the same standard of living with 80k in germany and have social security and workers rights on top. The language is also becoming a lot less of a barrier for IT folks.

RaoulDook,

I have a great life in America personally, no desire to move. That’s why I don’t.

I can do whatever I want every day, and life is very affordable for me, and I enjoy living where I live.

haui_lemmy,

Read: F*ck you, I got mine.

RaoulDook,

Nope, it’s a simple statement of contentment that points out the reality that success and contentment are achievable in modern America, written as a counterpoint to all the immature doomerism about the status quo.

haui_lemmy,

Just transpose this statement to a white person in a slave state during slavery and you see how this is an issue.

You dont need to move but calling it „doomerism“ is completely out of touch.

People are dying in your streets and it would be prudent to at least show enough respect that privilege is not a position to speak down from.

RaoulDook,

Sure, just change the words in what I said and it will mean something different. Let’s change your words around too.

haui_lemmy,

Thats not how this works. You dont change the words or the meaning. You change the perpective to show why this is a problem.

You speak from a position of privilege. People who are in dire need of help dont have that privilege. You calling their issues or the descritption doomerism is out of touch.

RaoulDook,

I’m helping people out by letting them know that their doomerism is an ingredient in their own failure. When all you can imagine is your own failure, you will most likely achieve what you believe in.

When you open your mind to realize that the possibilities are endless, you can see solutions that you ignored out of pessimism and begin to adapt in the ways that allow you to overcome adversity. Even the smallest microcosm of any ecosystem has infinite possibilities within it. On the macro scale of human life, these possibilities are only limited by the imagination and will of the human animal. So when you assume everything is going to shit and you’ll never win, you already failed by crippling your own imagination.

haui_lemmy,

I dont know why you‘re going off on a tangent right there but alas. I dont have time for this.

azenyr,

Streisand effect is currently very active on this one. Thousands of news outlets, many extremely casual and geared towards average joes who never new emulation existed, are now all being told that “this thing called yuzu can play switch games for free”. Nintendo is shooting themselves in the foot. Even if Yuzu dies, it will get forked and people who never knew emulation existed, now do, and look for alternatives.

zarenki,

instructing users how to extract the prod.keys from their own switch

Yuzu’s quick start guide links to the old download link for Lockpick RCM from the same repo that is still inaccessible ever since Nintendo’s DMCA takedown last year (source: arstechnica). They never updated the page to link to any mirrors of Lockpick RCM or any other options to extract the keys; the guide doesn’t even work right now. You can see in Yuzu site’s changelog on github that the only changes made to that page in the last year are to minimum/recommended hardware requirements.

It seems even more absurd to argue that instructions are somehow infringing when the allegedly infringing part of them has already been broken for almost a year. Even the standing for taking down Lockpick RCM in the first place seems questionable, and telling users to use it with a broken link seems several layers further detached from that.

PropaGandalf,

Just owning lockpicks does noy make you a thief.

zarenki,

Ethically, I agree with you. More than that, using a lockpick on a lock you bought shouldn’t make you a thief. Unfortunately, DMCA has abysmal anti-circumvention measures that make the legality of using a device you own in ways you should be able to become questionable under US law, in the digital equivalent of Master Lock suing you for picking a lock you bought from them.

PropaGandalf,

Who said that I would use them? Maybe I just want them laying around and collecting dust? /s

_haha_oh_wow_,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

Unfortunately, a lot of places have insanely draconian laws regarding “criminal tools”.

SturgiesYrFase,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

Depends where younlive

clot27,
@clot27@lemm.ee avatar

Were they sleeping for almost a decade now? Doesn’t the prod keys users extract belong to them? Fuck capitalism

PropaGandalf,

Obviously not ^^

Azzu,

No you misunderstood, when you bought your switch you didn’t buy the hardware and the software on it, you only bought the right to use the hardware and software. It still belongs to Nintendo, and you better watch out you do nothing bad with it!

rogersniper,

The thing is, Apple already went through the same lawsuit against jailbreaking a while back and lost. I don’t think Nintendo is going to like where this goes.

merthyr1831,

They’re not betting on winning. They’re betting on Yuzu developers being too poor to fight back

Blaiz0r,

This is Nintendo’s point, making use of the prod keys goes against the DMCA

pivot_root,

If Nintendo can prove that the primary purpose of Yuzu is to circumvent Nintendo’s encryption, there is a very real and very scary chance they could win the lawsuit.

17 USC §1201 (a)(2)

No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that—

(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title;

(B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; or

© is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that person’s knowledge for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.

binomialchicken,

I’m no lawyer so I could be completely off-base, but I think the existence of homebrew can make all 3 points defensible, depending on what evidence exists about their primary intent being breaking the DRM. If they have posted publicly things like “this patch should bypass DRM for this particular game” then they would be screwed, but posts like “supports/extends this feature so we can better emulate the functionality in this particular game” should be fine? At least if I understand the precedent set by the Connectix ruling in addition to the wording of what you pasted?

ColeSloth,

It’s less about being right and more about Yuzu devs willing to spend a million dollars to defend themselves and risk a tens of millions of dollars ruling against them. The best case Yuzu will have is winning and court costs. Worse case is owing God knows how much to Nintendo. The system is bullshit.

pivot_root,

The system is absolutely bullshit. If this makes it into a courtroom, the odds will likely be even further stacked against Yuzu. The chance of getting a judge that goes out of his/her way to understand the technical arguments is extremely low, and it’s a lot easier to argue that unauthorized decryption is bypassing something than it is to argue that software needing to do it to work isn’t primarily designed to do it.

Unless the EFF steps in and bankrolls Yuzu, the most realistic case here is that they settle out of court and Nintendo gets exactly what they want.

HexesofVexes,

Welcome to the age of the licence, where you pay to be given permission to use something in a specific way.

7heo,
@7heo@lemmy.ml avatar

This is nothing new. There is no “age of the licence”. “Intellectual property” is much of what modern “capitalism” is about, and has been for several decades.

The initial idea of capitalism was to have capital to back up your activity, and use that activity to develop your capital. The capital was composed of whatever you could “retain” as yours, by your own means. Meaning you had to get the skills, you had to actively retain the capital, etc. So it was self limiting. One cannot possibly retain more than one estate or learn more than a couple lines of work all by themselves.

But then, people started selling services in addition to goods, and those who had capital quickly realised that it was far more profitable to pay someone a fraction of their capital to extend their possibility beyond their own means.

So capitalism became some kind of club: if you already had established trust with a group that let you grow capital beyond your own means, you could effortlessly obtain capital, and grow it steadily, with virtually no limits. It was then still possible to become part of that club (given some starting capital and an ever increasing amount of work).

However, that changed in the 70s when nixon decided to abandon the gold standard in 1971. This move essentially got rid of the need for a tangible capital, and allowed the mental concept of “trust” to be the only necessary metric by which capital is measured.

This is the exact reason people like trump can strive. Con artists love this system, because they only need their skills, which consist solely of lying, to develop any amount of wealth, out of thin air.

The damage effected by nixon on the north american societies, and by extension on the western societies, and by transaction, on all societies worldwide, will only be truly understood in centuries, by historians, when our epoch will be studied as a static set of facts, rather than a dynamic stream of information of varying veracity.

Anyway, to the point: this in itself was the beginning of the end of capitalism as a meaningful economic system. But it wasn’t the last blow to its integrity. Progressively, Intellectual Property, a falsehood according to which information exhibits the same set of properties as matter, went on to relentlessly turn capitalism into a kleptocracy.

Since the 80s, and the advent of computing, information has taken an ever more important part in society. And with it, “intellectual property”.

By now, any capitalist with the “title to” an information can effectively forbid anyone else from having that idea.

This is the actual problem. That and the imaginary money. It allows all kind of abuse, and it does so nonlinearly. Which is an especially bigger problem now that anyone can automate nearly anything.

People naturally have issues understanding nonlinear progressions, and that is why Ponzi schemes work. And, also, why no meaningful majority rebels against our current system. They simply are unable to truly understand it.

Diabolo96,

According to what scott ross from the accursed farm youtube channel discovered, you actually don’t have the right to own the software you bought ! if you live in US

_haha_oh_wow_,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

If buying isn’t owning, the piracy isn’t stealing.

Shit, piracy isn’t stealing either way if you ask me but that’s another debate entirely.

datavoid,

Where do we donate for legal fees?

cyclohexane,

It’s futile. You are no match against a multi national corporation.

onlinepersona,

Give up, you are no match against the universe, time, gravity and other powers. Just end it. Why even bother continuing.

Could you stop with your nihilism?

CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

Linus_Torvalds, (edited )

a) Your license footer is really cool! I will start including it as well.

b) Aren’t quotes a bit problematic, as you include them in your work? This one is probably fine, as you (quite artistically) paraphrased it but direct quotes would be a problem, right?

CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

twei,

You sure you don’t want to keep your comments GPLv2-only?

isVeryLoud,

IMO the license footer is a bit sovereign-citizen-y, and likely unenforceable.

AliasAKA, (edited )

I think the Creative Commons would fail to apply to the source material, but using the source material should be fair use in almost every context on Lemmy.

onlinepersona,

a) 💖

b) I’m not entirely sure how quotes should work. I imagine that if you quote such licensed text immediately after, it’s quite obvious who you’re quoting. But if you quote it on some blog somewhere out in the interwebs, proper attribution must be given.
Newspapers do have to attribute whatever they quote (and if they’re respectable, they will) because they’re trying to earn money with it, but beyond that… no idea. I’m not a lawyer.
Good question though

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ddkman,

But he is right though. If Nintendo really wants it gone they’ll just pull a sony-bleem. As long as there is no real regulation for this stuff, there is not much you can do.

PropaGandalf,

Patreon?

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

It is morally ethical to pirate products from companies like Nintendo, Adobe, Apple et al. (Add all corporations to become a pirate captain.)

InputZero,

Imo, obtaining, distributing and consuming pirated IP is a grey area. Selling pirated IP is not okay. Interwebs pirates should share, not sell.

therealjcdenton,

Maybe instead of going after a way to make switch games more accessible to people outside of your ecosystem, you should expand your ecosystem to include them.

danc4498,

Never heard of this thing. Does it work well?

fishbone,

No firsthand experience (yet. Subject to change soon though) but i’ve heard reports across the board that switch emulation is often superior to actual switch performance. I heard plenty of times that Pokemon scarlet/violet can run at 60 fps with no dips at all, where my switch struggled to hit 30 in some areas.

franklin,
@franklin@lemmy.world avatar

Yuzu and Riyujinx (another switch emulator) work great, expect a bit of setup though

delirious_owl,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Streisand effect :)

Imhotep, (edited )

Which emulator should I use for the latest Zelda on Linux?

CEMU and BotW worked great. Yuzu wasn’t really working at the time but maybe it’s the better option now?

domi,
@domi@lemmy.secnd.me avatar

I played TotK start to end on yuzu on release in 4k with ultrawide and 60 fps mod, little to no issues.

BotW is also very playable now on yuzu, development sped up drastically when TotK released.

DragonOracleIX,

You can also try ryujinx if you can’t get yuzu to work.

Vampiric_Luma,

Ryu has always been my preference <3 never liked the Yuzu interface for some reason.

woodgen,

The latest Zelda was not released on any other console than Switch, so Yuzu is the only way. Works great on the Steam Deck as well.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please,

Yuzu isn’t the only Switch emulator. Ryujinx is another one, for instance.

fsxylo,

So now in addition to “right to repair” we now need a “right to break” so companies can disappear off the planet if they try this shit.

itsnotits,

wants* to milk their users

PropaGandalf,

yes :)

haui_lemmy,

The username just cracked me up btw.

PropaGandalf,

Trust me. I speak the truth :)

Admetus,

You mean the truth proper?

RDAM_Whiskers,

Well that program is downloaded now.

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