9 years later, I finally played fallout 4

Vivendi, 12 days ago

PLEASE PLEASE try the survival mode. It changes the game so much. It reminds me of hardcore games of the past, I have to actively plan for the game and can’t just gung ho rush things.

Atomic, 13 days ago

I’ve noticed online it seems to be regarded as one of the least popular mainline games

Where have you been looking in order to find that? It’s regarded as the best fallout by almost everyone as far as I’m aware.

Or are you confusing Fallout New Vegas with Fallout 4? They are two different games

FeelThePower, 13 days ago

Played fallout 4, now I’m back to trying new Vegas again

Atomic, 13 days ago

I see, i misunderstood then. Sorry

FooBarrington, 13 days ago

What? I’ve never seen people say that, FNV is widely regarded as the best 3D Fallout game.

Atomic, 13 days ago

Yes. He is playing New Vegas. He got confused and called it 4 because it’s the game after 3.

FooBarrington, 13 days ago

I’m pretty sure they’re playing Fallout 4, considering they explicitly said they tried FNV before…

Atomic, 13 days ago

Read his edit.

FooBarrington, 13 days ago

Yes, their edit states they are now trying FNV again. Their post, containing the part you quoted, was neither part of the edit nor referencing FNV. Please, just read it again.

Atomic, 13 days ago

Yes. Well aware, he gave up to lost interest.

He’s not referencing anything apart from title and edit, he talks about the mods and writes his edit like a tldr referencing the mod again.

But sure. If you say so

FooBarrington, 13 days ago

Their whole post is talking about Fallout 4. What is more likely:

• they are talking about Fallout 4
• they are confusing Fallout 4 with Fallout New Vegas, a game they played previously and just said they’d try again after having played Fallout 4, having freshly installed and modded it, still not noticing that they already played through the game just before, while also confusing the online coverage for a totally different game

Please, just think for a moment.

Atomic, 13 days ago

I’ve talked to lots of people who confused fallout 4 and new Vegas thinking 4 was just another name for it.

It’s a common misconception.

FooBarrington, 13 days ago

Sure, but there’s no reason to expect this when somebody explicitly mentions having previously played FNV. In doing so, you’re assuming OP to be a giant idiot.

Atomic, 13 days ago

Not at all. You can stop being so hostile and angry. I don’t assume OP is an idiot. Or anyone making the mistake thinking NV and 4 are the two names for the same game.

Quite a logical mistake to make seeing as the previous game is called 3.

I do however think you’re an angry little man

FooBarrington, 13 days ago

Again: they stated they already played FNV before Fallout 4. You’re assuming they are confusing the game they are currently playing for one they played previously. Had OP not previously stated they’d already played FNV you’d have a point. As-is, you’re assuming they are too stupid to remember that the game they are playing right now is one they’ve already played previously and remember under a different name.

BuboScandiacus, 13 days ago

just some custom outfits and real world guns for immersion

https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/13d81cc4-751f-44e4-b48c-a26f01dfadd8.jpeg

Titou, 13 days ago

Kind of funny when you know Fallout is a satiric version of USA society

Donebrach, 13 days ago (edited 13 days ago)

I’ve been replaying and somewhat enjoying Fallout 4 recently too and all I can say is Bethesda made a very good (and janky) video game back in 2003 and managed to reskin it into 5 different games over the past 20 years fairly well—only blatantly showed its age with Starfield because they removed all the (now out of date) modernizations introduced in Fallout 4. I will not buy The Elder Scrolls VI if that ever comes to market.

Just throwing it out there if you haven’t played it, The Outer Worlds hits all the fallout notes in a tighter package (also made by obsidian who made New Vegas)

FeelThePower, 13 days ago

Noted! I have been meaning to cross outer worlds off my list for a while.

cod, 10 days ago

As someone currently playing through the Outer Worlds (I even made a post about it not long ago on this community), I’d highly recommend it. I’m having a lot of fun with it

Varyk, 14 days ago

It was actually the first fallout game I played, and I’ve replayed it a couple times since then, I really like it.

That’s a great came to play for the first time, especially with qol mods.

sockenklaus, 13 days ago

Any QoL mods you’d recommend?

I play F4 with Vivid Fallout for better textures, Load Accelerator and the Unofficial patch mod.

What are must have QoL mods that that don’t alter the vanilla experience too much?

Varyk, 13 days ago

I played f3 and 4 next to each other, so it can’t remember exactly which was which, but removing the tint over everything outside was huge, visibility immediately increased, the sky was blue, everything was more aesthetically appealing.

I really liked adding the weather mods in so it rained or snowed, and then textures. I didn’t change too much, but with an improved look and distance, everything felt more fun and immersive.

It sounds like that vivid mod you have did pretty much all of that

Zozano, 14 days ago

I loathe Fallout 4 for all the things the game has robbed the franchise of.

Most dialogue choices boil down to “yes / sarcastic yes / tell me more / not right now”

I really hate the settlement building, but I feel like I need to interact with it to play properly - it’s too powerful to ignore when playing on Survival.

I would have preferred if the settlers improved things themselves over time if the resources were available for them.

The three factions make the moral choice a no brainer. The Institute are slaveowners, the Brotherhood are Nazis and the Railroad are the Underground Railroad (very clever Bethesda).

(Minute men is not a real faction, they’re tertiary)

kindenough, 14 days ago (edited 14 days ago)

I put in 1300 hrs into fo4 just for the settlement building. With mods though.

"I heard people complaining about the bed situation...." NPC carrieing a bedroll on her back.

tal, 13 days ago

Just out of curiosity, if you don’t mind sharing, which mods did you use? Like, just stuff that adds more items to the world, or stuff that changed gameplay linked to the settlement-building stuff?

cod, 10 days ago

Not the person you asked, but I’m in a similar boat and used mods and spent a lot of time in settlement building. The only two mods I can remember that made a big impact included the one that basically acted as a cheat terminal (since I played it originally on Xbox, but now that I’m on pc I don’t need that anymore) which allowed me to have unlimited resources, and the other being the one that expands the build able area and the build limit infinitely. I did use other mods, but I think they were mostly graphics mods that didn’t affect the actual settlement building, just the way it would look slightly. I might’ve had some mods that changed NPC behaviour within settlements but I can’t remember 100% right now. That was probably 5-6 years ago

Cethin, 13 days ago

Also, the only temporarily impactful decision you make is which flavor if the final mission you’ll do. You don’t actually have to choose one until the very end. You can somehow be not just friendly, but high rank with all four at the same time, despite the conflict of interest.

They make you think your making choices sometimes (though honestly rarely in F04 because of the dialog system you mentioned), but you never do really. It’s an alright survival shooter thing, but a bad RPG. You choose abilities, but you rarely choose a role. You’re given your role at the start, and your only choice is to follow it.

caesaravgvstvs, 13 days ago

Yes!! I felt the same way!

Particularly the ham fisted way it’s written, you’re really led to choose the railroad path, but I felt I never got a proper explanation on how the institute was bad (the why is clear).

I ended up going with the institute and I got a really underwhelming ending

Zozano, 12 days ago

The institute are bad because they’re basically “scientific racists” - they diminish the experienced suffering of conscious beings, even though they’re anatomically identical to Real Humans™

They’ve got the power to fix so many problems upstairs, but they’re so far removed from the suffering of others that they don’t know what the problems even are.

They’re essentially the 1% in our world. Bunch of privileged cunts who think they can fix the world by throwing money at a problem without really understanding the plight of the working class.

tal, 13 days ago

Heh, I’m probably the opposite. I like the settlement building capability in the engine, but don’t feel that Bethesda’s done a lot with it in any of their games.

In Fallout 4 you can make pretty settlements, but there’s a very minimal degree to which layout interacts with the game. Putting some walls up around expensive stuff and making enemies need to go past turrets or guard posts helps a bit, but it’s basically just SimArchitect. Lay out stuff how you want for fun. That’s not bad as such, but I’d like to have more interaction with the game world. Also, using settlements without the Local Leader ability to let settlements trade goods was a pain, which was one of the few useful things in the Charisma tree. There is one quest where one does lay out defenses for a significant fight, bur that’s about it.

The Sim Settlements mod introduces settlements that build themselves, which gives you elaborate, evolving things without having to manually do all the work of building them (and can take advantage of newer hardware with larger settlements). That’s nice, but it really just provides an opportunity to rebuild nice-looking stuff in without the scrap-hauling and placement drudge work. The mod adds a (fairly extensive) questline, but the actual layout of the cities again doesn’t matter much. Avoids the need for Local Leader as a quality-of-life perk, so provides more character build flexibility.

Fallout 76 has some game-important roles to a player’s CAMP, but it’s basically providing convenient access to workshops and a player vendor. Defensive layout does matter somewhat-more, as attacks when a player isn’t present are actually simulated in the game world. You can take and hold certain map locations, sorta a tower defense mode, but there’s minimal reward in the game for it. The point is still mostly being Sim Architect for player CAMPs, except now you can show your creations to other players. CAMPs are much smaller than Fallout 4 settlements. You can also have Shelters, which are little areas to free-build off the main world. Like CAMPs, but with a few restrictions, like the inability to have resource-producing items (and automated resource production is very limited, rarely worthwhile). Some players have done neat things that add to the game, but again, just doesn’t feel like there’s much “game” to it. Fallout 76 has some hard limits on ability to store things in a CAMP – inventory limitations are a core part of the game.

Starfield has multi-base spanning automated production, and automated production matters, more like a very limited Factorio. However, you can pretty much play the game and ignore that aspect, as the main purpose of getting resources is…building more bases. IIRC, bases don’t get attacked when you’re away, and defenses aren’t an issue. I guess that’s nice for people who don’t like base-building, but it felt like kind of a pointless loop to me. Not like, oh, Egosoft’s X series, where you build out a space empire to get more stuff that unlocks more things. You can buy player homes, but they never felt as useful to me as Home Plate in Fallout 4, as I just usually wasn’t passing by the player homes, and the ships are generally more available. I think that those are more aimed at people who want to do interior decoration. Starfield does let you modify ship interiors, but there just isn’t a lot of gameplay point to it, though it’s probably where I spent the most time. There just isn’t that much that happens in your ship.

None of those are bad things, but the base-building aspects just feel kind of decoupled from the game, like a kind of bolted on architectural program. If you want to create your dream space home, I guess that that’s fine, but I was kind of hoping for something that heads more in the Sim City or Caesar direction, where there’s real gameplay associated with the settlement you build. If one wanted to do just aesthetics, maybe in Fallout 76, let players build new stuff in contests and then whoever builds the neatest gets some award and the structure gets incorporated into the base game, something like that.

Gigan, 14 days ago

Did you like the settlement building or no?

FeelThePower, 14 days ago

At first I dabbled quite a bit with it, decorating up the castle. But as time went on I honestly stopped paying attention to it.

Stache_, 14 days ago

I got so hooked into the settlement building. Downloaded a handful of settlement mods and spent 3 whole days repairing and outfitting the Castle. Then something happened to my mods folder and I had to redownload them all and didn’t make note of the order I had them in before. Loaded in the game and everything was broken/invisible. Huge letdown and I took a 7 month break. Now I’m getting back to it and finishing the main story before doing the DLCs

FeelzGoodMan420, 14 days ago

Fallout 4 was a top tier fallout game with mods. The more you mod it, the better it gets. Fall9ut 4 eith no mods is meh.

tal, 14 days ago (edited 14 days ago)

I wish that there were an easier route to just let a random player get a reasonably modded install. It’s nice, but getting there is a big barrier. Something like what Wabbajack does, but at a Steam level, like “install community DLC”, and in a way that one could manage mods from that point.

There are hundreds of mods that reasonably improve the gsme, and sorting through and comparing all of then is time-consuming.

That is, make it really accessible to users not familiar with modding who don’t want to put a lot of time in, but let it be a “new base install” for most Fallout 4 players that could itself be nodded.

FeelzGoodMan420, 14 days ago

But that’s exactly what wabbajack is. It’s really easy to set up. It’s like a one click install.

tal, 13 days ago (edited 13 days ago)

So, I’d like it to be even more approachable, so that most people who play Fallout 4 and the DLC can have a reasonable shot at also experiencing a fully-nodded environment. I guarantee that only a tiny fraction of people who have played Fallout 4 have tried a heavily-modded run, be it Wabbajack or mod-manager based.

I also had headaches working on it, but that’s probably because I was trying to run it on Linux.

Lastly, I’d like to be able to use that as a base point for modding. Like, have Wabbajack just essentially creating a Mod Organizer 2 configuration or something like that, so that one can use it as a base for further changes, so that the people who want to really spend the time tweaking their setup can also benefit. I’d just like to get players over the hump of getting a working, heavily-modded environment that can still be modded as easily as possible. Creating a working modded environment with hundreds of mods where one can tweak further as one wants is just a large, time-consuming undertaking that requires some familiarity with the system, as things stand.

FeelzGoodMan420, 13 days ago

Wabbajack does use a MO2 install…at least it can. Everything you’re describing exists. The future is now, old man.

zephorah, 14 days ago

Settlement management can get tedious and be a large time sink. Sim settlements 2 is actually not bad. You can off the most annoying ones on “mayors” to control. Show up later and add things if needed.

neuropean, 14 days ago

It revived the game for me. Changed settings so it would grow without my tedious input, so thankful for that. Show up to settlements over time to find evolving cities that are actually worth visiting and make the game feel alive, like you didn’t build every shack in the wasteland personally with the toaster you hauled from a national guard building.

FenrirIII, 14 days ago

I need to get unlazy and figure out how to do that. I enjoyed Conquest because it auto built settlements for you to conquer, but that’s been dead for a while.

shani66, 14 days ago

It’s a bad game that does some things that really make it worth playing, imo. The gunplay is mid and the social systems sucks so much ass, but not many games go for the scavenger fantasy like fo4. Throw some mods on top of the shaky base and you’ve got the only real good post apocalyptic survival game i can think of. Pick a spot to build up while living like a rat and you might get a few dozen hours of genuine fun out of it.

I personally recommend Frost or that modpack that turns the game into a survival horror, because the game is at it’s absolute peak when you are actually desperate for three more rounds in your revolver.

tal, 13 days ago (edited 13 days ago)

not many games go for the scavenger fantasy like fo4. Throw some mods on top of the shaky base and you’ve got the only real good post apocalyptic survival game i can think of.

Not the same genre at all – it’s a turn-based open-world roguelike – but have you played the open-source Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead? I mean, it’s directly got some Fallout-inspired content, like power armor, but above-and-beyond that, it’s a post-apocalyptic survival scavenger fantasy, and it’s a hell of a lot more complex.

Like, you’ve got regional weather (fog, precipitation, wind) simulated, several nutritional meters (including stuff like going too far over and getting something like iron poisoning), fat reserves and hydration, several types of diseases, parasites, and fungal infections. Maybe the most-sophisticated gun collection out there in video-game-land, plus modeling firearms stuff like multiple sight and optic systems, multiple barrels, gun weight, recoil, different magazine types, different loading mechanisms (including doing things like having a shotgun or magazine-fed weapon with specific types of ammunition, like buckshot or slugs or Dragon’s Breath loaded into individual cartridge slots), carrying straps, bipods, brass catchers, Picatinny rails, grenade launchers (including attachable), rocket launchers, energy weapons, flame-projecting weapons, thrown explosives, placed traps. Food spoilage. Various types of carrying cases and aspects of them – things like straps to attach items via carabiners on some backpacks, multiple “pockets” per container that may have different volumes and maximum dimension constraints on items and may be able to contain different things, like mesh or rigid/nonrigid. Waterproof cases and water damage to some items, like dissolvable drugs or personal electronics. Vehicle construction and damage – you can build bicycles, cars, tanks, boats, helicopters. Remote cameras and displays. Electrical wiring and power generation and storage systems. Bionic implants. Mutations and associated powers. Various types of melee combat, including a wide variety of martial arts. With mods, multiple magic systems and magic items and psionic powers. Base-building. NPCs. The ability to build and manage NPC camps with NPCs producing things. Agriculture. Ranching. Thermal imaging and electromagnetic vision. Toxins, including airborne and injectable, and protection against same, as well as various environmental hazards, like acid. A cooking system. Food temperature that matters, including freezing damage to some foods. Drugs. Brewing, freezers and refrigerators (both fixed and in vehicles). Biodisel and ethanol fuel production, as well as other various fuel types, including gasoline and JP8. Morale. Sewing, including modification like Kevlar- or fur-lining items, and a material type system including things like removing buttons or zippers or fabric of certain material types (leather, wool, synthetic, cotton, etc) clothing to create something else. Crafting armor. Remote-control vehicles. Quests. Addictions. Radiation. A skill system, with separate “theoretical” and “practical” knowledge in each area. A proficiency system. A perk system. Stats. Personal electronics, like time, temperature-measuring, camera-enabled, display screens (e.g. one can scan books into tablets or smartphones or augmented reality glasses and then read them later). Lighting and shadows. Ocular adjustment time to dark or light conditions. Dwarf Fortress-like underground digging. Procedural map generation including subterranean maps. Enemy tracking via visual, auditory, and olfactory methods (not all of which can use all of these), and methods to mitigate one’s signature in these fields. Corpse dissection and resource extraction. Optional “innawoods” play, where one does a no-civilization survival play, just using primitive technology and food preservation. Achievements. Progressive content unlocking. Scenarios, like playing as a prisoner in a prison. Modeling of fires and smoke; one can have wildfires or buildings burning down. Various enemy factions; these can fight or otherwise interact; for example, a fungal faction can “take over” zombies. Water-gathering via raincatchers. Breaking into computer systems. Automated movement (to reduce drudgery of hiking from one map location to another). A configurable notification system. Rules-based searching through recipes and visible items. Ability to have the character perform automated sorting of items. Multiple competing audio and graphical packs.

NoneYa, 14 days ago (edited 14 days ago)

The VR version is fun too but not at all worth $60. It’s basically just a polished VR mod.

I really enjoy the thrill of seeing the world in VR and especially being in power armor.

If you can get it on sale (anything under $30 is a fair price, IMO) and enjoy VR games and Fallout, definitely recommend.

gregorum, 14 days ago

Shame on you for waiting so long. Welcome to the club.

It is, perhaps, my favorite game ever. I have about 13 1/2 or 14,000 hours playing the game. The mods really make it for how much you can make the game your own experience.

FeelThePower, 14 days ago

I truly do love it with all my heart so far. I have been closely following some mod projects, namely fallout miami and fallout london. I truly love how some mods are basically free DLC or even are comparable to being their own games.

gregorum, 14 days ago

Glad to hear it!

zephr_c, 14 days ago

Fallout 4 kind of in a weird place where it’s simultaneously a bad Fallout game and arguably the best Bethesda game. How much you like it really just depends on which of those things you’re more into. I’ve personally never really gotten the appeal of Bethesda games. I usually end up spending 90% of my time going through my inventory analyzing the price to weight ratio of all the worthless junk I’ve accumulated, and the worlds have always just felt really shallow to me personally, but clearly I’m in the minority. I am sort of curious why more people seem to have agreed with me on Fallout 4 than on Skyrim though. I guess maybe it’s just that the people who talk about it the most are more likely to be Fallout fans than Bethesda fans.

saddlebag, 14 days ago

What’s the best fallout game? I played 3 many years ago around the time out and I enjoyed it. Thinking of playing another one now

dabu, 14 days ago

1 and 2 if you like oldschool isometric RPGs and New Vegas if you want them in 3D. 3 and 4 if Bethesda games are your favorite

tal, 13 days ago (edited 13 days ago)

I don’t agree with the people who bash Fallout 4, but it’s true that it does have annoyances not present in the previous title…but every title in the series has that. The dialog system was changed in a very unpopular way – one couldn’t see fully what one’s responses were prior to choosing them from the response menu, and the only effect of most dialog was to alter one’s relationship with one’s current companion. The plot interactions based on the player’s actions were much less complicated than in Fallout: New Vegas. And at very late game, high player levels, the enemies turn into bullet sponges due to how the game scales. Doesn’t feel as satisfying to shoot something. And the “legendary” item and enemy system was transplanted from the Elder Scrolls series, and at least to me, feels a bit weird in a non-swords-and-sorcery context thematically. I personally preferred the American Southwest setting where Fallout, Fallout 2, and Fallout: New Vegas took place over the eastern US, where Fallout 3, Fallout 4, and Fallout 76 took place. I liked the characters in Fallout: New Vegas more. Fallout 4 felt something like a bunch of mini-stories glommed together, less thematically-consistent than Fallout: New Vegas.

But Fallout 4 also has some things that I really like about it. It had base-building, and – while it still had its share of bugs – was considerably less-buggy than Fallout: New Vegas – which was godawful from a stability standpoint and loaded and saved increasingly-agonizingly-slowly the further one got into a game, and was prone to having the player fall through the map. On a given run, some sort of quest tended to break for me in Fallout: New Vegas. The “skill” system that had been present in the series up until Fallout 4 entirely went away, leaving the stat and perk systems, and I think that that was a good move – the small increases to skills felt grindy, where each increase didn’t produce a meaningful impact. The combat aspect is generally-considered to be better. New Vegas had solid DLC, but I’d rank Fallout 4’s DLC more-highly. Fallout 4 is a little more open in terms of the order in which you play the game – yeah, they’re all technically open-world, but Fallout: New Vegas tries hard to nudge you in at least some general, rough directions. Fallout 4 is closer to just letting someone go and adventure where they want, in whatever order they want. The scale was bigger, had more people running around, felt a little closer to being a “real world” environment. The game was prettier, partly due to just being a newer game – Fallout: New Vegas suffered significantly more from pop-up and limited draw distances, I’d say.

I think that at the time of their release, either Fallout: New Vegas or maybe Fallout were best, just in terms of how they compared to other things at the time.

If I were going to recommend that someone play just one Fallout game in 2024, though, it’d be Fallout 4, as the other games are getting pretty long in the tooth. Also, much more modding work has been done for Fallout 4 (though there are some impressive mods for earlier entries, like Tale of Two Wastelands, which basically imports Fallout 3 into Fallout: New Vegas and makes them one game).

SolOrion, 13 days ago

The legendary system isn’t transplanted from Elder Scrolls, is it?

Unless you’re saying legendary weapons = enchanted weapons I have no clue what you mean. If that is what you mean, that’s a weird take but I guess I see it.

Also your take on the world feeling more large scale and alive is extremely interesting because I would’ve said the direct opposite. Fallout 4 feels incredibly dead to me. There’s enemies, sure, but they don’t exist past being targets for me to destroy so that I can loot them and whatever structure they’re functionally just guarding. I can’t really influence most of them past killing them and putting the Minutemen there instead. Fallout 4 feels too much like I was dropped in a sandbox.

Fallout 4 is a good game. I’d go as far as to call it great if you just ignore that there’s a main story. It feels like the devs wanted to make a looter shooter, but they got told they had to make a Fallout game with RPG mechanics. So they absolutely half-assed all the RPG parts.

I typed this on mobile, so there’s definitely typos. Sorry.

tal, 13 days ago

The legendary system isn’t transplanted from Elder Scrolls, is it?

looks

I thought that Skyrim had legendaries, but apparently I misremembered. It’s got weapons with attributes – like, you can get a weapon that causes additional fire damage – but those apparently are the same as the weapon enchantment system, not distinct from it.

There’s enemies, sure, but they don’t exist past being targets for me to destroy so that I can loot them and whatever structure they’re functionally just guarding. I can’t really influence most of them past killing them and putting the Minutemen there instead.

That’s pretty true of Fallout 3 or New Vegas too, yes? I mean, a deathclaw is a deathclaw.

SolOrion, 13 days ago

Yeah, that’s the part that confused me. Skyrim’s enchantment system is just it’s enchantment system. It’s not as… exclusive as Fallout 4’s legendary system. I think that’s what makes it distinct in my mind. I definitely see what you mean.

a deathclaw is a deathclaw.

Fallout 3, sure, but with New Vegas? Not really. There’s plenty of places you can go and then decide whether you’re making friends or enemies. You can interact with them, and then decide if you want them dead or not. There’s definitely some places where- like you said- a deathclaw is a deathclaw, but there’s also plenty of exceptions.

saddlebag, 13 days ago

Very interesting response. Thanks for taking the time to write it out. I hope it’s useful to others too. Might just play 4 at this rate (if I ever get time, might need a steam deck)

Atomic, 13 days ago

New Vegas is easily the best Fallout.

4 is a beautiful game. But they’ve dumbed down the entire R aspect of the RPG. Dialog in 4 is a joke.

Cethin, 13 days ago

Play Morrowind and your opinion might change on them having to be shallow. It’s hard to get into, but it is the 3D one that takes its world very seriously.

For example, there’s a faction that uses magic and levitation is a thing in Morrowind. Their buildings are built vertically with shafts connecting floors you almost have to levitate through. Skyrim did these in the DLC that includes some of Morrowind, but they just made them floaty elivators, not a skill your character can use.

It is hard to get into though. The key thing to know is its actually an RPG. Your character stats matter more than your player skills. If you aren’t trained in using a sword, you aren’t going to be able to use one effectively. The game won’t stop you from trying, but you’ll miss a lot. Also things like using up your stamina sprinting (what feels like normal speed) and being tired makes your character tired and they can’t hit things. They’ll also be worse with bartering/talking with people because basically they’re standing there drenched in sweat and panting, which doesn’t look nice and people don’t really like dealing with it.

Bethesda has strayed far from this path though and I doubt we’ll ever see it come back.

AmosBurton_ThatGuy, 14 days ago

Fallout 4 kind of in a weird place where it’s simultaneously a bad Fallout game and arguably the best Bethesda game.

Thank you

That’s how I’ve described fallout 4 since it first came out. Nice to see someone else had the same thought. It’s a great game and I’ve put a ton of time into it and I play through it every 2 years at most.

But it’s really not a great fallout game. The game overall is excellent but it feels the least fallout-y, to me at least.

Maestro, 14 days ago

I lost interest in this game half way through. I really don't like how the enemies level up with you. I was about 2/3rds through the main quest line when the bad guys became such bullet sponges that it wasn't fun anymore. Like, multiple nukes to the face and they still keep coming.

I far prefer games where the enemies scale by location, not the player.

tal, 13 days ago

There are mods that alter the enemy scaling, but it’s gonna change the game balance.

brian, 14 days ago

This is my running complaint with most Bethesda RPGs. Just about everything scales by player level, which can put you in situations where enemies are downright impossible to kill if you’re too spec’d into non-combats.

neuropean, 14 days ago

Oblivion: why level up when I can stay level one and steamroll everything?

New Vegas: Just another Bethesda contracted game and I’ll just head straight north and OH GOD CAZADOR—

eestileib, 13 days ago

Haha yeah NV lets you know shit is real awfully fast.

FenrirIII, 14 days ago

It wouldn’t really be an open world game if areas were artificially blocked due to leveled enemies. And other areas would simply be steamrolled once you out level them.

brian, 14 days ago

In my opinion, open world doesn’t mean being able to complete any objective in an arbitrary order.

Progressive growth is one of the most rewarding things in an RPG for me. That means that I have to rethink my path forward until I gain the strength to overcome an obstacle. And that also means that some of my once difficult foes can be a showcase for my experience.

Areas aren’t blocked, they’re turned into goals for me to overcome. Yes, I should have a choice in how I explore the world, but having limits gives you something to break through.

Lemminary, 14 days ago

I love FO4! One of my friends kept telling me to get it and play it. So when it was on sale I bought it in a heartbeat.

My only gripes are the inventory management and the depressing landscape, so nothing a couple of mods couldn’t fix to make life easier and not depress the hell out of me.

FenrirIII, 14 days ago

Snow mods in the summer. Desert mods in the winter.