Bernie Sanders says President Biden will win in 2024 if he runs on a "strong progressive agenda"

With the 2024 presidential race beginning to unfold, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont said he believes that President Joe Biden will again earn the Democratic nomination — and the president likely win reelection if he runs on a strong progressive campaign.

“I think at this moment … we have got to bring the progressive community together to say, you know what, we’re going to fight for a progressive agenda but we cannot have four more years of Donald Trump in the White House,” Sanders said Sunday on “Face the Nation.”

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Sanders endorsed Mr. Biden in April. Sanders referenced several of those issues in underscoring what he believes is the importance of building “a strong progressive agenda” to win the presidency in 2024.

MrBusinessMan,

Of course looney lefty Bernie Sanders supports the commie cadaver sleepy Joe. They want to make it illegal to eat meat or even go to church. Carl Marks is laughing in his grave; in the end he won after all.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
Semi-Hemi-Demigod avatar

This post is an excellent example of Poe's Law.

NecroSocial,

While I’ll never vote Republican I don’t see myself voting Biden this time. He got my vote to unseat the cheeto last time but his administration’s antagonism towards financial markets along with his outdated stance on things like policing (more cops with no reform) and cannabis legalization (just no) along with him pushing a CBDC (programmable digital dollar that removes all privacy and places all control in the hands of the banking elite) have lost him my vote. I’ll be wasting my vote on a third party since a worthy Dem primary challenge is highly unlikely.

Thursday,

Biden? a progressive? yea right.

Effort0499,

Biden is a far right fascist. It’s just that the GOP are even more far right and actual terrorists.

Arthur_Leywin,

How dare that fascist try to give college students debt relief.

Zoboomafoo, (edited )
@Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world avatar

Darn that fascist for… supporting community policing and lowering the cost of medicine?

Effort0499,

Except he doesn’t want that at all. There was some half baked proposal just so the dems could claim they’ve tried while they fully expected and probably hoped that the GOP would stop it.

Arthur_Leywin,

Is there any evidence to support that claim?

newthrowaway20,

I don’t like the guy, but he’s far from a fascist. And if it comes to between him and Trump again, you can damn well be sure I’ll be voting for Biden.

Also, when you use fascist that way you weaken the terminology, to the point where people throw that term around and it becomes meaningless. Much like the Republican party tries to do with all of the terms that have been thrown at them.

nucleative, (edited )

After the last guy the country just needed a guy who mostly plays but the rules, as unwritten as they are. Understands the system. Makes the country look like its head is connected to the neck. Generally speaks diplomatically. Doesn’t have too many ideas that are way outside center. Looks after the little guy sometimes. Hires advisors who have a clue.

We got that guy. That’s a good thing.

Now we need a newer, younger person with vision. Somebody who can help rebuild an American dream. Somebody who will be alive to see their dream come true. Somebody who can get everyone excited about figuring out what it means to be an American. Somebody who can set aggressive goals and make the case for why we should pursue them, and get the ball rolling. Somebody who shows the average American that their life specifically can be better tomorrow than it is today.

Regrettably that person will still struggle to defeat the ancient skeleton incumbents.

Odd_so_Star_so_Odd,

skeleton incumbents

quit packing congress with them then and demand age limits

phillaholic,

You know what’s easier than buying old politicians with track records? Buying young outsiders with no record that can just say what you want to hear then pass bills written by lobbyists.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
Semi-Hemi-Demigod avatar

Maybe the problem is the buying and not the age of the product

phillaholic,

I’m not convinced taking money out of politics isn’t going to just send it all underground. Just look at the implication that nefarious actors hacked the RNC and are blackmailing Republican politicians into pushing the Kremlin’s agenda. Money doesn’t even need to change hands. Power is all that’s necessary and we can’t do much about that.

Daft_ish,

Sorry Bernie, Biden is trying to run on turning cult followers. Also known as, the stupidest strategy.

Only hope is to get something to stick to Donald. Which given the track record…

JTode,

Hey everyone, go outside and find some grass and take your shoes off and put your feet in it. Stand there for a minute or two and just feel the grass on your feet. Have fun!

Kase,

Do i take my socks off too? I don’t want to keep them on and get them dirty, but I don’t wanna take them off cause the grass is prickly :/

HipHoboHarold,

The grass is dried out and it makes my skin itchy

Viking_Hippie,

So win by lying about what he’s actually going to do while claiming that the policy positions of people who would have been better candidates are his own? Well it worked the first time, barely 🤷

Something_Complex,

Shut up trump supporter

Viking_Hippie,

Yeah, because you can’t possibly criticize a conservative neoliberal like Biden from the left 🙄

SCB,

conservative

neoliberal

These two things are opposites, in any practical sense that isn’t “not communist.”

Viking_Hippie,

Nope. Neoliberalism is a center right to right wing ideology and amongst Neoliberals, Biden is one of the more conservative rather than one of the more progressive ones.

Dozens of millions of Americans alone and hundreds of millions, maybe even a billion or two people worldwide are to the left of neoliberalism without being anywhere near communism.

Try getting your news and political analysis from a source NOT owned by a billionaire once in a while.

SCB,

Nothing you are saying is remotely accurate, so I’ll stick with reality, thanks.

Viking_Hippie,

Hey look, I found a gif of you typing that reply! https://imgur.com/a/J3yDJSC

SCB,

Wow you should’ve linked it. That might’ve been funny.

Viking_Hippie,

I did, but since you apparently don’t know how to operate a simple imgur link, I’ll describe it for you: its a projector projecting.

SCB,

There is no link

No link bro.

Viking_Hippie,

Was there on my end, “bro” and it’s a moot point now 🤷

SCB,

It’s a cow’s opinion.

It’s moo.

RidcullyTheBrown,

I think that was sarcasm

Viking_Hippie,

I hope you’re right

johndo100,

All talk no action. Don’t just hear what they say, see what they did. You’ll make the choice, think about next generation. I wanted to live in US but maybe not anymore, there are many shit-and non-brain young people.

K1nsey6,
@K1nsey6@lemmy.world avatar

If Democrats truly want to keep Trump out of office then they need to vote for West. We’ve tried it your way for decades and its not working when the entire discussion is which senile, geriatric, racist POS is the ‘lesser evil’ Your status quo is keeping people in poverty, increased homelessness, with no access to affordable healthcare or housing.

Oh, and Bernie can go fuck off. His progressive talk is tainted by insisting we support one of the architects of most of our problems in the US. If theres a law suppressing people’s rights, it was probably written by Biden

zerkrazus,

Yeah…no. Enough of the fucking 70+ year olds. I’m so fucking tired of people who should be fucking retired owning and running everything. Fuck the mother fucking hell off fossils. God damn it. Enough with the fucking retirement home bullshit. Holy fucking hell.

dx1,

Anything in specific or just the age thing?

1847953620,

Oh fuck. He got us. Turns out there’s nothing wrong with any of them at least partially due to their age.

Viking_Hippie,

I mean sure, age and related health issues CAN be a part of the problem like with Mcconnell and Feinstein, but usually the out of touch policy positions are much worse than the age itself.

For example, I’d much rather have Bernie than Madison Cawthorn making any decisions on behalf of the people and the vast majority of millenials and gen z agree 🤷

1847953620,

No no you’re right, I’m sure there’s not a strong correlation between being an octogenarian and being out of touch, those outliers prove it.

Viking_Hippie,

Didn’t anyone ever teach you that correlation ≠ causation?

While the aforementioned health problems are a direct result of age, being out of touch isn’t. If you do your due diligence as a politician, you can keep your finger on the pulse no matter how old you are, health permitting. Of the two people in my example, the octogenarian has political views and general mentality much more in line with the vast majority of people under 45 than the Gen Z fascist does.

1847953620,

Right. Because you cherry-picked the examples, then you’re using that to wave away proportions. I’m saying, expand the sample size and you’ll see that in general having ancient farts in high offices should be the exception, not the norm. If a correlation is strong enough, the connecting middle is kind of irrelevant for the purposes of the lower standard of justifying a bias.

Even Bernie, who years ago inspired hope in so many with his rhetoric, has all but given up, hearing him talk now many see a fire that’s extinguishing. He doesn’t have the energy to fight against the status quo within his own party anymore. A younger Bernie did.

As voting citizens, we don’t give enough chances to younger politicians, when honestly we should be demanding it of the political parties to allow new blood to breathe life and ideas into their party, and provide us with more options.

Viking_Hippie,

because you cherry picked the examples

Nope, I picked those two to illustrate that, while geriatric politicians are a bad thing in general, there are exceptions. I’ve never seen any of the people advocating term/age limits mention exceptions and was arguing against an absolute ban based on age and nothing else.

Maybe mandate some cognitive and policy knowledge tests every time someone, regardless of age, run for re-election. The senile out of touch ones from both parties would fail and so would younger idiots like Cawthorn, Boebert and Perjury Greene.

Even Bernie, who years ago inspired hope in so many with his rhetoric, has all but given up, hearing him talk now many see a fire that’s extinguishing.

Nah, that’s just his greatest flaw from even before 2016 continuing: being so averse to playing dirty that he goes to the other extreme and lets his competition get away with anything as long as worse exist. He’s like a neoliberal in that one aspect, always have been.

He doesn’t have the energy to fight against the status quo within his own party anymore. A younger Bernie did

Still not a lack of energy, he’s just playing too nice with his allies who should be his lesser enemies. And younger Bernie didn’t have much influence outside of Vermont and Washington since, this being pre-internet, the establishment decided which ideas got to most of the population. Like local public radio and tv enabled him to become one of the most influential people in the history of Vermont, the internet and the resulting ability to reach people without going through establishment tastemakers enabled him to build the (inter)national influence he always deserved.

As voting citizens, we don’t give enough chances to younger politicians

I partly agree, partly disagree: on the one hand, I agree that there are far too many old and out of touch people deciding things, but on the other, there is such a thing as too inexperienced. A 25yo would be fine for local office, but I wouldn’t trust someone THAT young to run a country. I’d say late 30s to mid 50s is probably the goldilocks zone, with exceptions to be made for exceptional individuals such as Bernie or AOC.

honestly we should be demanding of the political parties to allow new blood to breathe life and ideas into their party, and provide us with more options.

That part I agree wholeheartedly with, no notes.

AngryCommieKender,

Gen X here. Most of the younger half of us would agree as well.

Viking_Hippie, (edited )

Yeah, there’s the “decrepit and out of touch” Biden/Trump/Mcconnell/Feinstein old and then there’s the “elder statesman who’s still true to himself and his constituents and sharp as a tack if far too polite, even subservient, to people who he should consider the least disagreeable of two enemies rather than allies” Bernie old.

Which one of these wildly disparate forms of old do they prefer, I wonder 🤔

K1nsey6,
@K1nsey6@lemmy.world avatar

He can run on a strong progressive agenda, but we all know it’s all talk and no substance.

“I can’t believe what you say because I see what you do.” James Baldwin

Zoldyck,

Stop putting old farts in leading roles.

EdibleFriend,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-lMIGV-dUI

These are the old fucks deciding things.

shapis,
@shapis@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m 35 and I already feel a little out of touch tbh. It’s insane people in their 80s being in positions of power is so normalized.

Odd_so_Star_so_Odd,

Atleast with Biden there’s a good chance Harris will have to step up and become first female president

afraid_of_zombies,

To old to be on a jury but not too old to make the law.

archchan,

No more please can we just get normal human beings as presidential candidates and not whatever the fuck this has been?

SuiXi3D,
SuiXi3D avatar

They don’t exist. Not in politics, at least. All we get are crooks and 80 year olds.

BeautifulMind, (edited )
@BeautifulMind@lemmy.world avatar

They don’t exist. Not in politics, at least. All we get are crooks and 80 year olds.

In a real way, both major parties are still fighting out the battles of the civil rights era, and are effectively led by people who came of age then. Unfortunately, that they (or their ideas) are still running the show in the way that they are means both parties are stuck in a particular past, forever trying to avoid the calamity they’re fighting to un-do

The GOP’s leadership is fighting like a wounded animal to un-do desegregation and Roe, and to dismantle voting rights and industrial regulation

The Dem’s leadership have spent decades fighting super-hard to prevent their voters from advancing progressives out of primaries and into general elections. McGovern’s loss in 1972, they think, is forever evidence that progressives can’t win and their subsequent curb-stomping of progressives (denying them party support, fighting hard to prevent them from winning primaries) serves as evidence to their way of thinking that ‘progressives can’t win’.

That this last bit (progs can’t win, never mind we make sure they can’t, so you have to vote for what wins or else all is lost) begs the question it pretends to answer seems pretty obvious to me. It has the same energy as saying ‘socialism doesn’t work’ and then pointing to socialist governments that ‘didn’t work’ because CIA ran coups to depose them and replace them with right-wing dictatorships. Of course these things don’t work when you kill them off, the whole argument becomes self-fulfilling and circular.

TheHighRoad,
@TheHighRoad@lemmy.world avatar

Hence the error of a two party system; no one can afford to go out on a limb, especially now that literal Nazis are the alternative.

phillaholic,

Biden is a normal Politician. Someone with of a wealth of experience in different levels of government who was elected slightly late. People seem to forget that younger less experienced candidates seldom live up to their hype. Obama never lived up to his hype, despite imo being a very good President. When you aren’t experienced you can run on all these ideals and naivety. You get into the job and the reality hit you like a freight train. We all need to not get lost in “Not Progressive Enough”, awhile the other side is pushing Regressive policies; It’s far easier to tear something down than it is to build it.

Kirkkh,

The only thing that matters when running a campaign is routinely changing your message. Donald Trump—a D tier celebrity—stole an election from a widely well regarded progressive by just being consistently inconsistent. People forget that during his campaign he seesawed on just about every issue. One day he was pro something, the next day he wasn’t, and back. It let him capture a broader range of undecided and leaning out voters.

Compare this to Hilary: she had one message, one stance from the get go (because she’s an actually intelligent person). Sadly this fixed her reach from day one—which wouldn’t be so bad if her opponent did the same, then it’s just a toss up. But they didn’t. Trump’s team had him changing his tune as much as possible, as feasible. It’s was an effective anticlimactic, depressing simple, just go for the Quaffle way to win an election: no one wants to hear it but just get all the dum dums.

nyoooom,

Except that only works with republicans as they can’t remember last week’s message, only that it felt good to them

Zoboomafoo,
@Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world avatar

Has Sanders ever won a contested election? Maybe we shouldn’t be looking to him for campaign advice

lolcatnip,

You think he won a Senate seat uncontested?

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