happyborg,
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Freedom requires no-lock in, which is why we self host domains, don't we? Rather than building on somebody else's domain. Oh, you use Gmail. Still?! 🤦‍♂️

Our desire for ease in a difficult world is what betrays us.

So freedom requires we make the following easy to obtain:

#Autonomi has privacy and autonomy baked in, and levels the playing field for users and developers.

But if developers ignore interoperability corporations can still abuse lock-in.

spoon,
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@happyborg The website appears to include scripts from googleapis and cloudfront. This might seem like a detail, but to me, it casts doubt on the sincerity of the project's commitment to and autonomy.

happyborg,
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@spoon I agree.

They use tools to get the job done, as I do, such as github etc. and still are committed to their values which I suspect you and I share.

They are one of the few projects I know who have written these down and having followed the project closely (daily) for over a decade I know they mean it.

You can view them here: https://forum.autonomi.community/t/safe-network-fundamentals-context/25352

spoon,
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@happyborg Thanks for a thoughtful answer.

I understand the pull of the "let's get stuff done" perspective. Things must be done, and not all yaks will be shaved!

But I think for a project that highlights anonymity, integrity on this issue is genuinely important: in the end, making a website without dependencies on Google and Cloudflare is not difficult, and if they're not willing to do that much, well ... it looks bad.

happyborg,
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@spoon I agree, but so does using GitHub. And tbh doing what you suggest does take time and resources.

The project is laser focused on delivery with a small team so I can forgive them, especially knowing them so well after all these years.

I understand your point. Some will need extra convincing because of that but I've no worries there. When folk see what it does and how, and the effort that has been put into ensuring it is autonomous and decentralised at every level in due they'll forgive!

spoon,
@spoon@freeradical.zone avatar

@happyborg

The problem is it is gratuitous: the time and resources to create a website without google or cloudfront is minimal.

The "some who will need extra convincing" are the conscious---they should be considered first, for this kind of project.

spoon,
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@happyborg I considered bringing this criticism up on the autonomi forum, but was confronted with this, from the policy:

happyborg,
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@spoon
Indeed, which illustrates how hard it is to provide completely clean services at scale.

I'm very privacy conscious and accept loss of privacy in all sorts of places until I have alternatives, such as those planned by and on Autonomi. One longstanding project is a forum.

I accept your criticism is valid and have often made similar comments.

But I'm not going to abandon or diss what I believe to be the best chance we have of game changing privacy and security with Autonomi.

spoon,
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@happyborg I appreciate the back-and-forth.

Have you made similar comments to Autonomi in particular, that they have not yet addressed, or do you mean more generally?

happyborg,
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@spoon I've been involved for over a decade and made these kind of points more in the early period than now.

Lately I expressed concern about them setting up on Discord and not having an official presence here. I get their arguments about why - those platforms have lots of people - but as you would be am still not happy about that.

Instead of letting that green in the way, I put my energy into helping this amazing project deliver what I want: privacy and security for everyone. And a lot more!

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