RiverEnodian,

Every time I see an acronym that's like "LGBTQI+" I 100% think that they're leaving out the A on purpose and it does not make the vibe check

RiverEnodian,

And when it's on a retweet about -phobia in regards to certain queer folk, I'm also thinking that they're saying that aphobia doesn't exist 🙃

RiverEnodian,

Given how I went through a battle in a queer group that wanted an acronym like "2SLGBTQI" and when we complained about the lack of the A received lots of whining about "labels" being "excessive" I've earned whatever alleged oversensitivity that I have towards this. Cause it's never not been deliberate in my experience

KashifShah,

@RiverEnodian What the heck is a 2S? and what happened to the beloved LGBTQIA+? ☹️

RiverEnodian,

@KashifShah Two-spirit. I agree with its inclusion, but not the exclusion of the A

KashifShah,

@RiverEnodian ahhh, derp, I should have guessed that - I’m genderfluid, so I fall in the + bucket, but do you think it is important to pull out 2S from the +?

Yeah, i’m not liking the whole excluding everyyhing after the T in LGBTQIA+ acronym.

RiverEnodian,

@KashifShah I think it can be? It's good to be in support of Indigenous folk and there are times when spelling it out is useful.

I'm not a fan of exclusion either. Either use LGBTQ+ or LGBT+, don't list out a bunch then deliberately leave one or two out.

KashifShah,

@RiverEnodian sometimes I wonder if humanity would be better server to split the difference and have LGBQA+ and TI+, as technically LGBAQ+ is about sexual orientation and TI+ is about sex development

There’s a reason that people in the past had migrated away from the term transsexual - neophobes freak out about sex. Look at what is happening to the term transgender now - it is so commonplace for people to think that TI+ is about sex, when it isn’t necessarily so

shrug what do i know though?

RiverEnodian,

@KashifShah The T has nothing to do with sex development, tho. Trans just means you don't identify as the gender you were presumed at birth. And the + includes a whole bunch of labels that include other sexual orientations, etc

KashifShah,

@RiverEnodian meh, technically, the fact that one “identifies” with the non-cisgender is actually a “divergence” of sex development, localized mostly to the neuroendocrine system, instead of to the genitalia, like in other intersex conditions

latest research is pretty close to identifying enough of the genetic and brain differences to actually diagnose it by genetic testing or high-resolution brain scans

there is a lot more complexity and nuance to the science of T than many give it credit for

RiverEnodian,

@KashifShah No, no it's not. It has nothing to do with my genitals or any sort of divergence, or anything hormonal at all. There's nothing medical going on with me to make me trans.

KashifShah,

@RiverEnodian but the science is still a work in progress:

“Moreover, none of the biological factors identified so far can explain all of the variances in sexual identity or orientation, nor is it known whether or how these factors may interact. Despite these limitations, the existing empirical evidence makes it clear that there is a significant biological contribution to the development of an individual’s sexual identity and sexual orientation.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6677266/

RiverEnodian,

@KashifShah There are no biological factors and there's a reason why transmedicalism is transphobic. Many, actually. It goes nowhere good and everywhere bad. I do not require a biological reason to be trans. Nor do I require one for my sexuality either.

KashifShah,

@RiverEnodian I’m not here to get into an argument with you, so we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

I will stick to basing my opinions in facts, but you are free to hold whatever opinion you deem appropriate for yourself.

RiverEnodian,

@KashifShah Dude, no. You don't get to be transphobic to someone who's trans and just say it's your opinion. That's not how it works, that's not how any of this shit works.

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