@GossiTheDog Yup, the device I have dedicated to running Windows is a 7th gen i7 ... which despite the fact it's roughly the same performance as an i3 12100... can't run Win11 because of a lack of TPM.
For me personally it just doesn't offer anything that Windows 10 already does in an acceptable manner. So what's the point in upgrading?
Add to that the fact that the UI becomes worse with every release since Windows 7, where before every new release also had a better UI. E.g. the new right-click context menu on a file or folder that hides lots of possible entries and requires a second click (or a registry setting) to be functional identical to the previous one. Reminds me of a similar failed attempt of "simplifying" in the MS Office 2000 menu system that is no longer present in current MS Office versions.
@GossiTheDog I think TPM requirement is a good thing security wise, but broader cpu support would really help. I'm currently planning our Windows 11 upgrade, but replacing half our Windows 10 install base will lead to numerous budget discussions 😞 and indeed e-waste.
@GossiTheDog They won’t even let me upgrade to 11, because my “processor is not supported”. i7-7700HQ. According to Security Now Podcast, apparently Microsoft just doesn’t want to do it. 😞
@GossiTheDog I have been reading Matt Hand's book, Evading EDR.
Despite best practices, it seems that the whole vendor concept is hapzard and patched together. Even my payload, using techniques from late 2010s is easily bypassing modern patched Windows 11 Evaluation VMs. Even got a rootkit working in seconds that will restart the implant with SYSTEM privileges once I disabled the defenses I put up.
Seems Defender for Endpoint will still give away my tradecraft even if the payload lands though.
@GossiTheDog@crackamphetamine Intel's had TPM 2.0 support from 6th gen onwards. Also, 7th gen CPUs are supported, but only if you have a specific Surface model that was still being sold when Windows 11 launched.
@GossiTheDog I briefly considered upgrading my workhorse/gaming rig I built in 2016 and got that very surprising "Your computer doesn't meet hardware requirements" message.
TPM is of course what the problem is. I plan on using this fantastic ol PC until the wheels fall off, guess I'll go back to Linux Mint in 2025
@TeflonTrout@GossiTheDog If your workstation is from 2016, Windows 11 hates your CPU, too (it wants 3rd gen. Ryzen, or 8th gen Intel [unless you have a specific Microsoft Surface with 7th gen Intel, which is then also supported]).
Note that if you have 6th gen Intel or newer, you probably have TPM 2.0, you just might need a BIOS update to get the option to enable fTPM.
@GossiTheDog I used and adminned 10 for years and was pretty impressed by how responsible it was with system resources. I was happy as a clam with 8GB RAM for many years under 10. Under 11, I'd say 16GB is the minimum viable amount or RAM you should tangle with, and many machines just don't have it.
It's also super annoying about trying to get you to use various Microsoft services.
I can absolutely see why it's not being taken up as quickly.
@GossiTheDog also the upgrade assistant being fully broken for lots of people. it bricked my install when I tried; luckily I expected it and imaged my C drive before the attempt, and then discovered that my UI performance issues were due to PowerToys, so now I'm back on Win10 and not planning to upgrade.
(I'm on Win10 Pro for Workstations, too, so that's the SKU you'd expect to be stable AF before they enable it)
@gsuberland@GossiTheDog I had to do some weird tricks just to get my arm64 test system to update in the first place, and then again to get it to update to nickel from copper
@asmodai@GossiTheDog Hey, at least they returned the option to not group taskbar buttons in 23H2. Of course, whoever designed this made it so much worse than previous Windows versions:
there are no borders between buttons
the active program's icon have a wide underline, while inactive program icons have short underline (sort of the same as when taskbar buttons are collapsed); if program is showing progress in the taskbar button, the progressbar is the underline under the icon, completely ignoring the text
button widths now change dynamically – but widths are only adjusted when a new window opens or closes, not when the taskbar text changes, so eg. if you start Word, and then open a new document, the taskbar button stays the same width as when it just said Word:
@GossiTheDog I suspect that the fact that the UI of Win11 is even worse that that of Win10 (as if it were possible) might have something to do with it.
@GossiTheDog They only have themselves to blame in limiting upgrades without much actual cause to newer CPUs. A huge % of my user-base is still on Ivy and Sandy bridge machines w 8-32 GB of ram and SATA SSDs and they're perfectly happy with that level of performance for the activities they do.
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