impactology,
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Imagine learning about food science, biochemistry along with cooking! or fashion design, sewing, drapery along with Non-Euclidean geometry. How interesting the pedagogy would be

How might artist-mathematician and artist-physicist hybrid come up with interesting projects that come up with assignments, exercises to teach these topics, that don't feel like drills.

How might these chemical engineering topics be taught alongside or via fine arts/performing arts?

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jmeowmeow,
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@impactology I think of Nick Sousanis' approach to visual science narrative when you mention a hybrid arts-sciences or arts-mathematics approach.

Nick is generous with reflections on process and design work.

@nsousanis

impactology,
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@jmeowmeow @nsousanis

I find Nick (along with Shannon Mattern) the best example of a public scholar, folks who share their work generously with the lay public outside academic spaces.

His generosity in sharing entire syllabi along with assignments, pedagogy approach is extremely inspiring and something that I feel like every academic, researcher ought to emulate.

missmythreyi,
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@impactology

As someone who did finish chemical engg at uni, i say, first off there was SO MUCH TO LEARN. Even considering a few of foundational blocks were laid out previous two years like 1,5 in your list - there was still so MUCH new (fantastic) stuff every lecture.

Now, the experience of learning this amazing stuff - was another thing.

IMHO, The problem of avoiding "Feels like a drill" need not mean adding arts per se. That is sort of selling short how fascinating all these topics are.

impactology,
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@missmythreyi Yes, my usage of drill is not on the concepts themselves but the way they are taught in some indian engineering colleges

missmythreyi,
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@impactology That is to day, we can get to have the cake of enjoyable learning and eat it too - with the same curriculum.

It has more to do with profs taking time to teach and encourage independent readings than say changing the curriculum to introduce fine arts

(and this is coming from someone whose entire 4 years of uni library card was full of books from arts sections)

missmythreyi,
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@impactology Like when you are a 17-year-old and step into a mass transfer or fluid dynamics lab for the first time. It is awe-inducing. These powerful machines you get to operate and manipulate materials with. Huge warehouse-sized labs.

It takes a special kind of adult to kill that awe. Lol. I would take it if Indian faculty just stop doing that (i don't even need them doing more, do less)

impactology,
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@missmythreyi

Yeah dude indian profs take everything that's fascinating about machines, everything that's fascinating about the chain of thoughts that led to it's invention and discovery reduced to doing boring decontextualized experiment. What an insult to the inventor in a way.

Engineering is fun but the way it's taught via sophoroic lecturing, cut and dry assignments, decontextualized tests, exams is so damn draining

missmythreyi,
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@impactology Actually, I have to slightly push back on this.

Can you give an example of a chem engg experiment being decontextualized, and how that lends itself to being boring? What is an example of a dry assignment?

(i agree with exams being problematic but I do think uni exams and competitive exams concerns have different nuances)

impactology,
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@missmythreyi

Don't know about chemical engineering but in our college it was mostly like whenever any concept was introduced it was never explained how you could recreate or make something similar or how you could design it bit differently tracing the chain of concepts that lead to it. Nope.

"Here's are the list of experiments you'll perform for these practicals and here's how you'll be graded"

impactology,
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@missmythreyi

The assignments were basically just bunch of essay questions whose answers we had to transcribe from our textbooks.

missmythreyi,
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@impactology May I ask, what undergraduate course was this?

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@missmythreyi computer engineering

impactology,
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@missmythreyi Yeah I agree, and that's what I was trying to get at as well — ways of teaching that do justice to the fascinating concepts

Fine arts point was just to highlight ways to experiment with pedagogy

missmythreyi,
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@impactology No absolutely, it is good Q by you, knowing your areas of interest and being familiar with your work around pedagogy.

Just sharing a perspective as someone who straggled both engg and art side - I found even the "Dry"-est text book fascinating. In undergrad, you are learning about the basic truths of the universe - even the worst delivery can't take that joy away.

Like you pointed out in other threads, its the fear of exams and placements that kill it.

impactology,
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@missmythreyi

I found even the "Dry"-est text book fascinating.

Ahh interesting, nice re

impactology,
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Similarly how might these civil engineering topics be taught via arts-based pedagogies of sculpture, architecture or even game design

Again think of arts-engineering/science hybrid pedagogy. Teaching engineering techniques, processes and concepts via the multimodality and embodiment of artistic techniques

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JMMaok,
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@impactology

For civil engineering, would be great to pair teams with public policy / public administration capstones. Many of those students, while delightfully motivated to improve the world, are a bit detached from the world’s physical properties.

impactology,
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@JMMaok great idea!

impactology,
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Same for electrical and computer engineering syllabi.

What kind of arts and design based multimodal pedagogy might help in rethinking how these topics are taught

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impactology,
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Even for mechanical engineering syllabi.

Here I think industrial design might help, but there needs to be an integrated pedagogy. That merges both ways of doing industrial design and mechanical engineering.

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impactology,
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and how about industrial and systems engineering, what arts or design discipline might correspond or align in it's modality and artifact making to rethink teaching it's concepts

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impactology,
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Environmental engineering seems already quite interesting

Same question for environmental engineering

Maybe researching about indigenous ecological practices for nature conservation and using its principles for that?

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impactology,
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Adding rest of the topics as well

Again the same question, What kind of arts and design based multimodal pedagogy might help in rethinking how these topics are taught

Think of arts-engineering/science hybrid pedagogy.

Teaching engineering techniques, processes and concepts via the multimodality and embodiment of artistic techniques

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impactology,
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All these have been taken from syllabus for NCEES Licensure Exam

https://ncees.org/exams/fe-exam/

NCEES — National Council of Examiners for Engineering and Surveying.

"The National Council of Examiners for Engineering and Surveying is an American non-profit organization dedicated to advancing professional licensure for engineers and surveyors"

impactology,
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Related

https://mastodon.social/@impactology/111346974222142088

An engineering pedagogy that merges design, arts, ecology, and values of sustainability while preserving a sacred relationship with nature and humanity.

How would it re-imagine doing math, science, and engineering

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