ktemkin,
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finally going entirely lead-free over here, it just so I don’t have to be so careful to keep the cat away from the lab area

ktemkin,
@ktemkin@chaos.social avatar

I've ordered Kester's No-Clean Sn96.5/Ag3/Cu0.5 stuff (and ChipQuik's equivalent in pastes), which came recommended by others -- but if anyone wants to tell me I'm totally getting the wrong thing, now's the time. =P

yngmar,
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@ktemkin Yoinks, that comes up at €130 for a 500g reel.

I guess I'll just keep washing my hands after soldering.The dog doesn't hop on the table at least :)

azonenberg,
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@yngmar @ktemkin It's not like you go through a lot of solder unless you're doing mass production.

I recently started the second roll that I bought when I went lead free... in 2010. The first lasted until, I think, this past summer.

ktemkin,
@ktemkin@chaos.social avatar

@azonenberg @yngmar yeah, I tend to run through a Kester spool about once every ten years; I wind up spending a lot more on flux or paste than on those; but they are super frontloaded

(if cost is an issue, I'm sure you can find someone who will cut you off a chunk of their spool; those things are a pound of solder and last a long time)

ktemkin,
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@azonenberg @yngmar (to be fair, I stock spools in three sizes; but tend to only run through the smallest one)

azonenberg,
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@ktemkin I stock two sizes and the 150 μm spool will probably outlive me.

The fatter spool will probably last me until my daughter is in middle school.

Flux is cheap and I go through... idk maybe a syringe every year or two? Paste I generally get close to using up a 15 or 30g syringe by the time it expires.

ktemkin,
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@azonenberg syringes of paste I tend to throw out because they're gotten crufty or expired, rather than because I finish them

paste jars I'll often finish, but that's likely because I use more than I could and wind up throwing some away after stencil'ing -- I tend to figure it'll expire first otherwise

azonenberg,
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@ktemkin Yeah I usually get most of the way through then it hits the date and/or stops spreading right so I retire what's left.

I don't buy paste in jars, I don't make enough boards to justify the volume.

ktemkin,
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@azonenberg honestly a lot of them work well after their expiration, like flux -- I use them on non-critical boards with larger components and they're still useful

whether I tap into the jars really depends if I'm making prototypes for a bunch of colleagues and myself or just for myself -- but I generically find syringes harder to keep clean and find that form factor tends to go off faster

azonenberg,
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@ktemkin With TS391 I find that around the expiration date it seems more putty-like and less flow-y than it should, like it's losing solvent or increasing in viscosity. That's when I get rid of it.

Never had straight flux go bad on me.

xabean,

@azonenberg @ktemkin now I'm curious how often folks rejuvenate solder paste with gel flux and how bad an idea that is.

azonenberg,
@azonenberg@ioc.exchange avatar

@xabean @ktemkin Depends on how desperate you are.

A new syringe of my usual paste is $16.95 at Digikey. If I'm putting several hundred dollars of parts on the board and I think there's even a 5% chance of a bad paste print screwing it up, it's worth getting new paste.

azonenberg,
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@yngmar @ktemkin Which ChipQuik paste? TS391 or SMD291SNL?

I use pretty much exclusively ChipQuick solder wire and fluxes (specifically SMD291NL gel flux which is rebranded Amtech SynTech-LF-TF) and have been pretty happy with all of it.

ktemkin,
@ktemkin@chaos.social avatar

@azonenberg @yngmar
SMD291SNL and then SMD29130CC for syringe tacky flux

azonenberg,
@azonenberg@ioc.exchange avatar

@ktemkin @yngmar Ah, OK. That's the more opaque REL0 cousin to the transparent ROL0 SMD291NL I use.

yngmar,
@yngmar@social.tchncs.de avatar

@ktemkin Does that stuff work now? Last I tried lead-free solder, it was rather... frustrating.

Any recommendations?

ktemkin,
@ktemkin@chaos.social avatar

@yngmar I've gotten other people's recommendations, but haven't tried them yet, so I don't have personal ones

but from what I've heard, Kester's new non-low-cost no-clean stuff is supposed to be pretty darned easy to work with -- it just doesn't result joints that are as visually pleasing

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