ajroach42,
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If your response to "we should dismantle this system of oppression" is "and replace it with what?" Or "only if we rebuild something functionally identical" you're a part of the problem.

rticks,
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@ajroach42

This applies to replacing the 1789 Constitution with drunk angry rants about Alec and their stupid loser attempt to create The Republic of Koch

BillySmith,
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@ajroach42

The question is what part of the functionality of the system do they want?

If it's infrastructure necessary for survival, then the part that needs replication is the "for survival" part, but without the oppression.

If they just want the oppression to continue, then FTS.

BillySmith,
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@ajroach42

One of the problems that most naive anarchists have to face is that the machinery of oppression is also the same machinery that is keeping a lot of people alive.

Yes, we should tear down the machinery of oppression, but we still need the "keeping us alive" part.

That requires a building mind-set, rather than a tear-it-all-down-RANDOMLY mind-set.

Systematically tear it down, and re-build better at the same time. :D

rticks,
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@BillySmith @ajroach42

Freedom from Rando Libertarian / Republican Warlord is not oppression.

aral,
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@ajroach42 Welcome to my life :)

Sending hugs.

dusnm,
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@ajroach42 I think it's a legitimate question, though not a legitimate objection to the argument. Surely we need a plan and not just "we'll figure it out along the way". Dismantling the current system will also introduce a lot of new suffering that also has to be addressed by the plan.

collette,
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@dusnm @ajroach42 Many oppressive systems have been dismantled without another plan in place outside of "screw this" and i have a funny feeling that the fearful suffering is no more than loss of privilege, adjustment to equality.

dusnm,
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@collette @ajroach42 I disagree. The principal example would the the French revolution. Where the social order was uprooted rapidly with no concrete plans for what should replace it. It created a state of constant fear and uncertainty. People were beheaded in the streets, panic was widespread. All of ti created a power vacuum that allowed Napoleon to, more or less, reinstate the status quo, albeit with some major reforms.

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