Hi, if you use Discord and feel bad about it for some reason, don’t. Don’t let the people on here try and convince you that matrix is secretly very easy to use and better and all it needs is adoption and just host this and etc. Same with any chat app or service or whatever. Discord is popular because it is a well made, usable service. People on here play the Privacy Game and switch browsers/search engines performatively. Switching which Product you use will have next to zero implications in your daily life, just use the one that is least annoying. Most “privacy” companies are just grifting (eg DDG funding right wing media, Kagi using AI, Brave doing crypto and AI, Mozilla doing AI, Proton baselessly shitting on other services in press releases, various companies doing VPNs, Element providing services to Police, Arc doing AI, I could go on forever…)
I’m not saying to go “doomer” and just use Chrome and Google, but people need to acknowledge that these services you use exist within capitalism, and evaluate whether they really Care about your privacy, or the Monthly Active Users metric. Don’t be shocked when your Private Service gets sold to a not-so-private company. You are being marketed to.
@j0 I think 99% of the rage about Discord on here is caused by open source projects treating it is a replacement for documentation. Couldn't care less if people use Discord, but don't make me use it!
Big agree about Kagi/DDG and it pains me that they take up all the space in the "alternatives to Google" discussion
@tomw the issue i think is that hosting wiki/docs for ur project is a lot harder than just using discord. though github pages/wiki/releases are pretty popular. shame on anyone who releases binaries on discord
@j0 i dont know why people treat Mozilla differently than Google when it comes to being an evil profit-oriented company. they deliberately make it vague where the non-profit foundation ends and the for-profit corporation begins
and importantly: they both make good web browsers/engines that everyone has valid reasons to use and not-use. it doesn't matter which corporation you want's services shoving down your throat
@ipg@j0 Well, the difference between Google and Mozilla is that Google is trying to to exploit you to gain as much money for their investors as possible.
Mozilla on the other hand is headless running around with the goal to gain new sources of income to survive.
While it's true that the lines between the Foundation and the Cooperation are not as clear as they probably should be, the Cooperation is still fully owned by the Foundation.
They might be both doing the wrong things, things we don't like but they still do them for a different reason.
@tfunken@j0 it is not a "cooperation" it is an out-and-out registered Corporation. their "income source to survive" is Google, and most of it just goes to the CEO anyway after they got rid of a lot of developers a few years back, and some more just a few months ago
I've never said "Cooperation" is a disregarding/downplaying sense, I made a clear differentiation between Cooperation and Foundation.
But as a Cooperation usually follows the will of their owners, I thought it's important to point out that the Mozilla Cooperation is fully owned by the Mozilla Foundation while Google is owned by Alphabet which is owned by their shareholders, like for example the Vanguard Group, BlackRock or JP Morgan Chase and so on.
There is definitely a lot of room to speculate what the intentions of the Mozilla Foundation are, especially of the current board members, but I'm pretty sure that we all have a pretty clear vision what the intention of those investment companies is.
So I've just pointed out that I think the motivations behind their actions are completely different.
Again, I dislike a LOT of what Mozilla is doing in the recent years. If you ask me they should completely drop everything non Browser related and cut the team down to max 100 people. A Firefox Foundation if you so will.
But when judging about people, groups or organizations, I think it's important to also think about why they act the way they act and not just what they did.
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