stshank,
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WashPo reports on California's duck curve: too much solar energy production in the middle of the day has over the years depressed electricity prices, sometimes below $0. (California's net metering incentivizes solar + battery for that reason.) https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/04/22/california-solar-duck-curve-rooftop/

PJ_Evans,
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@stshank
Energy storage so that power would be available after 5pm would seem to be a great idea.
https://www.sfgate.com/food/article/pge-price-hikes-bay-area-restaurants-19406403.php

stshank,
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@PJ_Evans 100%. Which is why I have a home battery that powers our house from 4 pm to 9 pm, when electricity costs are higher because of time-of-use pricing. And why there are lots of energy storage startups. Not everybody can afford a battery, and at grid scale they aren't anywhere near what's required to meet demands. Recent trends are favorable but not there yet.

ke7yxz,
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@stshank I do not see the problem. California is not an island. There is a large national grid. Sell the excess to the cloudy places. Charge electric cars. If anything, this is not a solar problem but a transmission problem with a storage annotation.

stshank,
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@ke7yxz Larger grids are good for evening out supply/demand, but building new transmission lines is very hard in the US. Some coverage of the issue:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/06/12/climate/us-electric-grid-energy-transition.html

https://kleinmanenergy.upenn.edu/podcast/americas-electric-power-transmission-crisis/

And you can't average out the evening surge power demand. Batteries are getting cheaper but they're still $$$. Charging EVs during the day could help, especially for cars that sit around most of the day. But unfortunately it doesn't work for trucks in use during the day.

GreenFire,
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@stshank
Negative energy prices caused by solar's duck curve incentivizes battery deployment and provides a quick payback for the early investors.

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