fraying,
@fraying@xoxo.zone avatar

Really fucking annoying that the far right explains what’s happening in Israel as Jews controlling Biden and the far left explains it as Biden being controlled by Jews. It’s all just antisemitism.

And neither side will acknowledge reality: Bibi is an insane war criminal. Israel is not an American colony, it’s a nation that Biden has no control of. It’s completely arrogant and wrong to think either man can control what the other does, or that the Jewish people have any say over any of it.

fraying,
@fraying@xoxo.zone avatar

If you read this as a leftie and feel defensive, I'm only asking you to not be antisemitic when you criticize Israel. That's it. You can do it. I know you can. If I can do it as a Jewish leftie, you can fucking handle it. And if you can't, that's a you problem, and I don't need to hear about it. Thanks.

mivox,
@mivox@mivox.net avatar

@fraying It shouldn’t even be difficult. Anyone who understands that not every American bears responsibility for the Trump administration, should have no problem accurately placing blame here either.

Hcobb,
@Hcobb@spacey.space avatar

@fraying Both populations are diving each other to extreme leaderships to accelerate over the cliff of the zero-state outcome.
But I will fix this and impose peace, prosperity, and harmony at the tiny cost of the elimination of all human freedom by the AGI.

fraying,
@fraying@xoxo.zone avatar

@Hcobb usually when I can’t tell if something is a joke or not I just block the person because it’s too much trouble.

ceoln,
@ceoln@qoto.org avatar

@fraying

Biden certainly doesn't control Israel or vice versa; but he could be doing a lot less genocide enablement than he is. If only.

guyjantic,
@guyjantic@c.im avatar

@fraying Last sentence: maybe, maybe not. But I still want to see what Bibi does if the US actually cuts off all military aid.

fraying,
@fraying@xoxo.zone avatar
garbados,
@garbados@friend.camp avatar

@fraying genuinely stunned to hear this appraisal of the far left. what? who? where?

fraying,
@fraying@xoxo.zone avatar

@garbados If you haven't bumped into antisemitism of the "Jews secretly control the world" variety on the left, I'm happy for you, but I have. A lot.

garbados,
@garbados@friend.camp avatar

@fraying that's constitutionally incompatible with basically every definition of "left" i've encountered. like "national socialism is lefty actually" level discourse

garbados,
@garbados@friend.camp avatar

@fraying bozos will call themselves whatever they like but conflating it with "the far left" writ large is, most charitably, sloppy

fraying,
@fraying@xoxo.zone avatar

@garbados I've been called worse. Today.

fraying,
@fraying@xoxo.zone avatar

@garbados Everyone raised in America has absorbed some amount of unconscious antisemitism. Some people just haven't noticed yet.

garbados,
@garbados@friend.camp avatar

@fraying i don't see the relevance and i get the feeling i'm wasting both our time

fraying,
@fraying@xoxo.zone avatar

@garbados If you really haven't seen "Israel is controlling the US" from lefties, then yeah, you probably are.

dukepaaron,
@dukepaaron@babka.social avatar

@fraying @garbados

Jew: left antisemitism exists and I have experienced it
Leftist: no it doesn't you're wrong

End scene

richard_merren,
@richard_merren@mastodon.social avatar

@fraying @garbados This conversation is dripping with arrogance and privilege, with a peppering of "No True Scotsman" for good measure. I used to think Barbara Ehrenreich's Nickled and Dimed needed to be required reading to claim a place on the left, but for the last few years I have considered replacing it with David Baddiel's Jewe Don't Count. Maybr this guy should educate himself instead of lecturing us about the things we actually experience in real life.

garbados,
@garbados@friend.camp avatar

@richard_merren before i mute you i will simply offer that you are misgendering someone who literally has “breadlady” in her handle. the rest, you like many others are just putting words in my mouth. good day

raf,
@raf@babka.social avatar

@garbados @fraying

If the idea of racist or sexist leftists doesn't feel like an oxymoron, why should antisemitic leftists?

I'd recommend reading https://files.libcom.org/files/thats_funny.pdf if you want to understand more. It is written by a British Marxist

garbados,
@garbados@friend.camp avatar

@raf thank you for the link. i think this whole thread is a misunderstanding.

quote: “the far left explains it as Biden being controlled by Jews”

i presumed the use of “the” here implied some level of cohesive organization, like one might be able to point to orgs showing up at protests and say “hey maybe don’t hang with these losers”. it’s a blanket statement, that’s what threw me off.

of course there are bigots with socialist trappings. that was never in contention.

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