atomicpoet,
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We all need to normalize single-user Fediverse servers so that all these federation/defederation wars can be minimized.

ArtBear,

@atomicpoet
1 change could help a lot. Designing landing pages to spread people out across more & smaller servers.

Getting people to self host is a hard road, it's either too complex, or sounds too complex. Meanwhile, change landing sites.

Make the top of arrival sites like https://calckey.org/
explicitly say you can talk all across the Fedi from whichever server node you pick! (vital!)

+Here is a general purpose server to join (randomised to spread ppl out).

or

Cont. to node selection

ArtBear, (edited )

@atomicpoet
@riversidebryan @maegul @steve @alienghic

A complimentary change to landing pages could help a lot.

Designing Fedi landing pages eg https://calckey.org/ to spread people out across more & smaller servers by recommending a (randomised by page load) general server immediately right off the bat.

Randomised to show smaller servers more frequently.

An opt in service. Server admins could potentially set a userbase target for their server promote opt in too.

maegul,
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@ArtBear @atomicpoet @riversidebryan @steve @alienghic

And there's a major cultural aspect to this too.

The "feudal-verse" is real. Each platform and each instance all operate like self-interested self-promoting fiefdoms in some polite competition with each other. It's natural in an ecosystem where platforms and instances do more or less stand alone.

But, arguably, the ecosystem and the user are being left behind a little bit.

Right now, I'm not sure the fediverse actually exists.

madcodger,

@atomicpoet As soon as that Calckey hosting site is ready, I'm there!

riversidebryan,

@madcodger @atomicpoet

I'd like to try that once a hosting service is available. I'm the absolute worst when it comes to tech, and could never be an admin. But an island, able to connect with anyone sounds pretty good too, as long as they do all the brainy stuff. 😉

madcodger,

@riversidebryan I'm pretty decent at following well-written directions and probably could do it myself… but I also know I don't have enough patience to fiddle with it and would rather someone else deal with that for me. I don't mind the admin side of things though.

steve,
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@atomicpoet Yeah, they definitely serve that purpose, but man, just to be on the fediverse? What a waste of resources...

I self-host a server anyway, and it does lots of other things, of which mastodon is only one. Let's normalize THAT.

atomicpoet,
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@steve For self-hosting a single-user server, you might want to use Pleroma or Akkoma instead. That’s what I do, and it only uses 1 vCPU and 1 GB RAM.

maegul,
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@atomicpoet @steve

Could there be a platform that is a lot like self-hosting but uses as many shared resources and caches as possible in order to optimise resources?

This feels like an attractive idea to me, and was kinda my naive presumption before looking into the fediverse more.

steve,
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@maegul @atomicpoet There are some fediverse servers that act like a co-op where cost is shared and admin-type decisions are arrived at democratically, like a condo corporation.

cosocial.ca comes to mind
https://cosocial.ca/about

atomicpoet,
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@steve @maegul Yeah, they’re pretty good. I spoke to @evan about having one of my servers join them.

maegul,
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@steve @atomicpoet

Thanks! And yea, this sort of thing makes a lot of sense. But also, I imagine it isn't for everyone either.

I was more wondering at a software/architecture level if it'd be feasible to host many people on a single service/hardware while providing all the control of self-hosting but also optimising as many shared resources, especially around caching I would imagine but also other things like shared block/allow lists etc.

I'd suspect a new platform architecture would help.

steve,
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@maegul @atomicpoet I had a similar thought not long ago because I run both mastodon and Pixelfed and they end up caching much of the same information.

https://social.dinn.ca/@steve/110612698209751410

The more fediverse apps you run in a single location, the more something like this would be useful.

maegul,
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@steve @atomicpoet

Would such an architecture naturally get you closer to some form of nomadic identity?

If the service easily allowed you to bring your own domain, and any number of alternatives existed with essentially the same or similar structure such that you could download and upload essential data, then you'd be "nomadic" no?

Esepcially if the structure, as you suggest, allowed you to run various platforms on a generic server/DB. Sounds like Fediverse 2.0.

ArtBear,

@maegul @steve @atomicpoet
This is sort of what I want, a fully managed, updated, patched personal/family solution, (maybe with background caching from Fediverse shared for efficiency) that runs multiple personal servers per person. So each individual can have pixelfed, calckey, mastodon, friendica, kbin, as they like.

maegul,
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@ArtBear @atomicpoet @steve Yea, and I think you're not at all alone. It's probably a conspicuously under-served design/interface for how commonly it's desired across users of all the platforms.

It seems the key is not merely a self-hosting service but either a "meta" architecture that embeds the current platforms, or, a new more modular architecture for any/all fediverse platform.

Increasingly feels like there's new and valuable software ground to break here.

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