TheConversationUS,
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To make the moon a graveyard goes against the beliefs of various human religions.

Here’s a look at what believers would say about this winter’s attempt to send a probe holding the remains of paying customers to the lunar surface

https://theconversation.com/why-having-human-remains-land-on-the-moon-poses-difficult-questions-for-members-of-several-religions-221399
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niboe,
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The question seems pretty simple to me. its very easy to not launch rockets with dead people to the moon. we've been doing it for all of human history. why not keep doing it out of respect of other cultures?

Runyan50,
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@TheConversationUS @philosophy Why do we want to place organic remains on the moon? Just because we can? Humans are a disturbing species.

skydog,
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"The key concern, and not just for the Navajo Nation, will be how to respect all religious traditions as humans explore and commercialize the Moon."

I cannot tell you how infuriating that is. If there is not a safety aspect to having cremated ashes (some carbon, calcium & minerals) placed on the moon, religion can keep to its own, back with the 'God in the Gaps', and get out of the way of rational, non-mythic people. Religion will kill us all, and now it's telling us where we can be buried when we are dead? I don't have words strong enough. Time for religion to get back in its damned lane, AND STAY THERE.

Anarchy_How,
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@skydog @TheConversationUS @philosophy What is the "lane" religion is to be confined to? I can't tell here and it seems integral to your argument.

Or maybe a better question is "what are you bundling up as " religion" here?

skydog,
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Deriving moral stricture thru a cosmological myth. When the myth is a illustration of human interaction (such as the Golden Rule), it serves as a conduit for teaching. But to take that cosmology and craft miscellaneous strictures around it, to give them authority (like Prosperity Gospel), is metastasizing a power structure for one's own ends...not illustrative of humanism. In any event, 'belief' in a myth is fraught, if one is not simultaneously acknowledging that myth is an analogy, at best, and sometimes is nothing more than a cute story.

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I see. There's a good deal more going on here (& w/ religion in general). A key insight from RS is that “religion” has no singular non-reductive definition, only a family resemblance of features. So can only define religion for the purposes of a given discussion. You take value derived from myth as religion's core here.

What's the most helpful way to think about myths and values?

Screenshot from a lecture that reads as follows: Reductive Definitions of Religion - Below are examples of definitions of religions different scholars have used. - Each is reductive (misses stuff about religion that’s important to talk about) in some sense. FRIEDRICH SCHLEIERMACHER (Protestant theologian) | Religion is “the feeling of absolute dependence. KARL MARX (economic and political theorist) Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
Text continues WILLIAM JAMES (psychologist and philosopher) “Religion... shall mean for us the feelings, acts, and experiences of individual men in their solitude, so far as they apprehend themselves to stand in relation to whatever they may consider the divine. EMILE DURKHEIM (sociologist) A religion is a unified system of beliefs and practices relative to sacred things, that is to say, things set apart and forbidden —beliefs and practices which unite into one single moral community called a Church, all those who adhere to them. SIGMUND FREUD (psychologist) | Religion would thus be the universal obsessional neurosis of humanity.
PAUL TILLICH (Protestant theologian) | Faith is the state of being grasped by an ultimate concern. CHARLES LONG (religious studies scholar) Religion will mean orientation-orientation in the ultimate sense, that is, how one comes to terms with the ultimate significance of one’s place in the world. Source o Prothero, Stephen. Religion Matters.

Anarchy_How,
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Myths are stories that fill the world with meaning and value. Humanism has its myths (answers to questions of meaning) too---and some are quite cosmological in scope.

“Values are ideas about what people ought to want.”

dozymoe,
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@TheConversationUS @philosophy to subject their remains to harsh climate?

I heard they can't use wheels on the surface of the moon because the sands were brutal.

bery,
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@dozymoe @TheConversationUS @philosophy where did you hear that? The used wheels on the first ever lunar mission let alone on the later ones

CStamp,
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@TheConversationUS @philosophy While the whole thing is creepy, no religion has a right to expect others to believe in their religion. Freedom of religion is the right to practice your religion, that's it.

mark,
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@TheConversationUS @philosophy Which is fine, but they have no right to claim exclusive control of the moon.

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