On one hand I hate that legit users are punished for the actions of few cunts selling massive plex libraries and using Hetzner because of cheap storage and unlimited transfer, but I sort of understand that plex doesn’t want to be associated with piracy (lol).
On the other, fuck Plex. Seems trivial to detect these massive libraries with hundreds of “friends” and just shut those down. Seems insane to block a whole fucking provider over this. I’ve been a paid subscriber since day one and then bought a lifetime pass, but this dumb move is making me consider other products.
But on third hand, I don’t really care because I use tailscale so I almost never use the plex’s proxy anyway.
Nuh-Uh, you provide the snacks, and the fin provides the juicy content chosen directly by you.
So, really, It gives you choice, and the freedom to choose… and that is what makes America so Great. (This silly remark brought to you by the movie currently streaming over jellyfin: Thank You For Smoking)
Far as I’m concerned, Plex can eat it’s dry ass privacy cookies all it wants.
Starting in ~2010 there was an absolute gold rush of investment in the tech sector - if you had a moderately good idea, knew how to put a proposal together and could get it in front of the right people, you could get $10-50 million without having to worry about little things like “how are we going to turn a profit” and “how will will we keep paying the expensive developers and infrastructure costs when the investment money runs out”.
This has changed in the last few years - the money is drying up, and the investors that are left and much more worried about their investments actually having a business model and a path to profitability rather than just throwing money at people and hoping that Google buys them for 50x the original investment.
No special insider knowledge, but I’d bet this is what is happening - Plex probably isn’t in a spot where they can sustain the current staffing and infrastructure costs purely out of existing revenue. They will be reliant on ongoing investment to let them keep developing rather than just keeping the lights on, and that investment will come with more conditions than it would have had 5 years ago - they will need to hit targets for number of accounts, percentage of paid accounts etc or they won’t be getting further investment, which for a tech product is effectively a slow death sentence
Forget their reasoning, the fact that they can block access at all should be reason enough for anyone to abandon them. Glad I abandoned my lifetime membership years ago.
This seems kinda scummy. If someone breaks TOS then ban the one account. I’ve seen for years now people bringing up jellyfin, knew it was coming when I saw this headline. I never tried it because I have iOS devices and an Apple TV, but now I see there are 3rd party apps for jellyfin on iOS/tvos. I may try it out, move if it satisfies my needs.
The one thing keeping me off Jellyfin is the fact that Infuse for Apple TV doesn’t have great support for it yet. Infuse is by far the most capable media player on the device, and it has excellent integration with Plex.
Air Video HD and its server software was so smooth. I’ve begged for it to return, but I am only able to use it still because I own old licenses.
It runs great on M1/M2 macOS, iPad, iPhone, and Apple TV. Streams all my content without issue every time.
Infuse is… alright, but it lacks the ability to adjust some things, and I really wish it had a more “list mode” style, and easier setup. I am getting more used to it, but I only use it for some files, where AirVideoHD and VLC play everything.
Heavily agree, a lot of content had issues playing for me with swiftfin. No issues at all with Infuse other than the fact that intro skipper doesn’t work with it
Haven’t tried Finamp. I did try Jellyamp but it was abandoned and is missing many features.
There’s a lot of unique features in Plexamp that I haven’t seen in other media players.
Probably the most unique is that it does AI analysis of your music (directly on your Plex server, not “in the cloud”) and uses this data for things like suggesting songs that “sound similar” to the one you’re listening to.
It’s got an auto DJ setting that automatically inserts other songs between songs in your playlist, based on some criteria - there’s a few options. It can use the AI analysis data for this.
It has dynamic fades between songs based on volume - if a song is quiet at the end, the fade in to the next song will start sooner. When playing an album in order, it automatically disables the fades and instead uses gapless playback.
It lets you download playlists for listening offline. New songs you add to the playlist will be automatically downloaded.
They also recently made the basic features free for everyone - previously you could only use Plexamp if you had a Plex Pass.
All in all, it’s a really solid media player, available for most platforms (Windows, MacOS, Linux, Android and iOS)
I wonder if you can get around this by using cloudflare proxy for a domain and then in the settings for the server disabling remote access and only allowing discovery through your domain? I’m not with Hetzner but I’ll give this setup a try and see how it goes.
it’s a german hoster with datacenters in germany, sweden and since recently the east coast of the US. depending on where you live, hetzner is therefor not an interesting option for you (due to physical distance)
So I got mixed results. With remote access disabled and just using subdomain for plex, it worked on the Windows desktop app, and my iPhone too through the browser, but on my Apple TV even though I could browse the library and select any video, they would not load.
What ended up working on all my devices is essentially running plex behind a VPN, AirVPN in this case because I need the port forwarding, and enabling remote access with the port assigned in AirVPN.
Thanks a lot for the update! Disappointing that it wouldn’t work behind just CloudFlare, I know my parents use an Apple TV to watch stuff. While I don’t happen to need this right now, it’s very useful to know in case some additional restrictions happen.
It’s against Cloudflare ToS to use video through their services (both the reverse proxy and the tunnel) unless you pay for their video streaming service.
You’re looking in the wrong place. That page is the generic terms of service that applies to all services, whereas the limitation on video is in the CDN-specific terms of service: cloudflare.com/service-specific-terms-application…. Of course they don’t ban video in the generic terms of service, as it’d result in video being banned from their video streaming service :)
I’ve heard that tunnels have a similar restriction since it uses the same infrastructure, but I can’t find the specific clause for it at the moment.
Fair, although you’re probably fine for “hosting jellyfin for your family” levels even then. If cloudflare boots you, swap to a free tier Oracle Cloud VPS and set up an nginx proxy.
ITT: People who don’t use Plex proudly talking about how they don’t use Plex.
This move makes sense to me. They could be liable for what’s hosted in the cloud, and on top of that you can’t pay for access, and the host is known as a great place to let people do that.
I really don’t understand the people who use jellyfin but insist on shitting on Plex. You can both use jellyfin and not also not be smug about it. It’s the same reason people are tired of the Linux user or back in the day why android users were so annoying.
Agreed. They’re trying to kill off Plex Shares, where people are essentially using their software to run their own for-profit streaming service using pirated content. This shit affects all of us as it brings on lawsuits and new laws to combat just so some random dude can make some extra cash selling access.
They could be liable for what’s hosted in the cloud
Liable for something hosted on someone’s private VPS? That’s like saying Apache or Nginx is liable if someone uses it to host a torrent site. I don’t really buy it tbh.
I really don’t understand the people who use jellyfin but insist on shitting on Plex.
I think people are allowed to critique and express disappointment over a product that they paid for. Just because you personally don’t care about the direction of Plex doesn’t mean other users can’t express their valid viewpoints. Plex at one point said they didn’t really care what people put up on their private servers and now they’re dialing that back and essentially asserting control over what people already paid for. People are right to be upset.
That’s like saying Apache or Nginx is liable if someone uses it to host a torrent site. I don’t really buy it tbh.
Tell that to your company’s team of lawyers who are telling you just to take it down. Even if it’s a grey area legal will tell you just to be proactive and avoid the whole thing. Plus like I said, charging for access is against ToS anyway, and most hosters who do that use this cloud service. Few bad apples spoil the bunch as they say.
and I’m cool with valid viewpoints, but god is everyone in this thread saying the same lazy thing. “Plex is trash, I dumped it, get Jellyfin”. Like okay, I get it, can we not have 98% of the thread talking about Plex just saying “It’s trash”. At least some of them have valid criticism you’re talking about, and I’m all for that, but I’m just over the pure vomit that most of these comments are. You’re criticism is valid and makes sense, the lazy comments just saying “lol I switched to Jellyfin” are just annoying to me. Great, high five to you.
I think the point was, if you’re not actively adding to the discussion, and instead are just giving the whole"kek, I use jellyfin", then rather stfu, it’s already been said 100x in the comments.
You are assuming that everyone reading the topic knows everything you do. People don’t.
The very reason I am using Jellyfin is because in some Plex thread on reddit, months ago, random people said something along the lines of “Lol, you should have used Jellyfin”.
I knew that Plex was (although I did not use it myself) so I went to see what Jellyfin is. Once I saw what it does (amazingly well) and how simple it is to setup, I set it up. I am an old fart, I don’t have time to follow everything anymore so I truly did not know about Jellyfin.
And that’s the story of how I found out about Jellyfin. By someone loling in the tread about Plex.
But hey, everyone should just do what the guy upstairs want, so he doesn’t get upset.
Okay, so how many times does it need to be said in one place? I’m counting 60 here right now… I’m pretty sure after the first 10 comments you’d have picked up on it.
I abandoned my lifetime plex license long ago. It’s the sunk cost fallacy, some people are immune to it and others aren’t. Quite obviously some people here aren’t, because they still defend plex.
I just run them side by side on the same nuc. All my friends still use Plex though I think because the apps look nicer. I wish jellyfin had federated features so that you could choose to use a single account across many friends instances. I still use Plex because I don’t want to deal with syncing watched status between instances.
I won’t defend Plex, but Jellyfin just isn’t quite there as an alternative yet. Their ATV app leaves still leaves a lot to be desired. I’m hoping it gets there sooner than later though so I can finally jump ship. The only other thing I really want is some tool to migrate the “watched” status of all my content to Jellyfin.
I’ve been using Plex because it’s what I heard the most about and I liked that it has native apps everywhere. Wasn’t so tempted by Jellyfin since, even as a web developer, I’m not fond of web apps on other platforms. However, it’s starting to be tempting to switch…
Was curious before about setting it up on a Samsung TV, apparently can sideload an app or something? Didn’t look too far into it because Plex ‘just worked’. Will have to revisit that.
There’s definitely more Plex apps but I’d suggest just getting a third party streamer if your TV doesn’t have a Jellyfin app (which suggests it’s probably quite out of date and probably not the best option).
I understand what you’re saying here, but I want to let you know that it just sounds like “sour grapes”.
It sounds like this provider is allowing something that could put Plex in legal hot water; why would they allow this and potentially jeopardize everything for all Plex users?
This is the last straw. I already was very shakey with all the restrictions that were piling up, but this is just one thing too much. Cancelling my subscription and installing jellyfin.
I have both side by side syncing with each other. Plex is still better then jellyfin. It’s just more polished has more features and isess buggy. Saying that I use jellyfin all the time but not ready to move others over.
I’ve had no trouble setting up jellyfin on Roku, Google/Android, and FireTV. It seems AppleTV is the only major one lacking support right now, and that will hopefully be addressed soon.
I tried out Plex (and Emby) before Jellyfin and was annoyed how much functionality was locked behind a paywall even though I was hosting the content myself. Jellyfin is completely free and lets me add as many users on as many devices as I damn well please.
I had to move to cloud cause energy prices. Using plex just to having easy access to my music collection. Now need to find good alternative for plexamp.
This would be viable for users who don’t use smart/programmable/dynamic playlists, and the various features backed by a track analysis ML model in plexamp
Finamp with Jellyfin works, or you could look into a pure audio streaming service like Airsonic or Navidrome. They both work with Subsonic ecosystem apps like dSub on android. There’s also Audiobookshelf for audio books.
Am not even surprised, Plex went to the gutter long ago when someone gave them the brilliant idea to start a media company on software used by pirates.
The fact that this comment - offering nothing - got the upvotes, while the three comments trying troubleshoot are not tells me everything I need to know about this community
It’s probably just because they posted earlier and some people haven’t seen the newer comments. The other comments are now starting to get upvotes. I wouldn’t place too much emphasis on the voting as a means of measuring a community’s worth anyways.
Hmm appears that I got it working by trying again. It was something about adding group to my docker compose file that did the trick. Thank you for motivation. 4K HDR is working now!
Next issue, Swiftfin for Apple TV needs quite a bit of polish, for instance I can’t change the subtitles within the player. But perhaps I should pay for Infuse until I feel it’s there.
I’d be quite satisfactory to not support Plex anymore.
It was something about adding group to my docker compose file that did the trick.
Ah yes, I do remember something about certain distros limiting access to /dev/dri/renderD128, so maybe adding the group gave the docker process the necessary permissions? I am not sure, just making guesses right now. Super glad you got it working though!
Next issue, Swiftfin for Apple TV needs quite a bit of polish
Yeah, this is definitely one of the areas Jellyfin needs to catch up on. Their app support is a bit buggy, if not entirely unavailable on certain SmartTV platforms. Definitely an adjustment. I use the Jellyfin chromecast app, and its also buggy with subtitles. Every time I seek, the subtitles get duplicated. I am sure this will all get ironed out over time.
Do you know how much time that saved vs fucking around with xbmc trying to get plugin to work and the media scanner to be consistent?
It was worth every penny and saved me hundreds of hours fucking around with libraries to scan in anime because it doesn’t follow the proper s01e01 format.
Oh, and was that software available in 2013? No? Right, you are just throwing shit against the wall because someone pointed out that Plex was the best software we had, for a reasonable price, for 10 years or so.
Jellyfin wasn’t even around when I bought Plex. I don’t even think emby was and if it was it was nowhere near as good. So yes Plex has served me well over the years. I am worried about it’s future so have jellyfin all set up in parallel but it still has some show stopper bugs for me to totally migrate over.
My dude if it’s taking hundreds of hours to get Kodi set up for you that’s a you problem. I’ve paid 0$ for Kodi XBMC or jellyfin over the past forever.
Yeah no. I’ve been installing Kodi since it was XBMC and you needed to break out 007 Nightfire to softmod the original Xbox. Working XBMC /Kodi has been easy from the start. It’s practically unchanged UX since those early days.
Xbmc plugins were garbage and the media scanner was garbage. You people are just forgetting how bad xbmc was, especially if you had it set up with something like sabnbdz which regularly would screw up wherever regex matching they were doing.
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