_number8_,

PH is trash but these laws are dumb as fuck and misguided. are we really pretending that you shouldn’t be horny until 18 or whatever

LoafyLemon,
LoafyLemon avatar

I'll be the brave one and ask;

What are your favourite porn sites, guys?

Mic_Check_One_Two,

Not sure if it’s still up-to-date, but tblop.com used to be a great way to find new sites. I know there are several similar sites, but this is the first one that comes to mind.

Hillock,

I came around the idea of stricter enforcement of age verification for online services. But the way it is implemented doesn't make any sense. I wouldn't trust porn sites with any personal information of mine.

I like the idea France is working on, a double anonymity age verification service. A third-party (hopefully the government) is used to verify your age and generate a token and that token can be used on any site to verify your age. The site verifying your age doesn't know for which service you are generating the token and the site doesn't have any access to personal data.

Whether or not pornographic material should be accessible to people under the age of 18 is another topic. I am not sure what a good age cut-off would be. But I definitely agree that there should be an age limit.

TwilightVulpine,

On the one hand there definitely needs to be a better solution for age restriction on the internet, but on the other hand I'm not too comfortable providing my porn-watching habits to governments teetering towards homophobia and transphobia. Even if I trust today's government, what happens if someone else gets elected and uses that data maliciously?

tcely,
@tcely@fosstodon.org avatar

Doesn't the (government?) site that provided the token learn which site it was for when that site requested the token be verified?

@Hillock

TwelveHundredSquareFeet,

No, if done correctly the site verifying the token should only need to verify it was signed by the authority token provider.

tcely,
@tcely@fosstodon.org avatar

The workflow:

  1. Site I visit gets public key from authorities.

  2. I visit the age-verifying site.

  3. They direct me to the appropriate authority.
    (Perhaps learning something about my location?)

  4. I provide whatever age proof is needed.
    (Perhaps learning which site directed me there?)

  5. I take the token from the authority and give it to the site from step 1.
    (They certainly learn which authority knows about me.)

A 4th party seems to be needed.

@TwelveHundredSquareFeet
@Hillock

Hillock,

I think your misconception is that you require a unique token for each site. But that's not the case, you can use the same token for multiple sites. There is just a time limit for how long it's valid.

Think about it like the online verification of your record of transcript for a university. You generate a link and can attach it to your resume. Any potential employer can check your credentials but the university doesn't know which company is looking at it. They don't even know if it's for a job application, it might be for a visa application, it might be for a scholarship, it might be just proof for your parents.

The only actual concern would be using a referral link. But that can be avoided by just visiting the age verification service manually and copy pasting the token (or uploading the file).

Yes, the site will know which authority verified your age but that's the entire point. That there is a trusted place that can say how old you are without passing on further information such as name or gender.

Hillock,

Right now the system is still just theoretical so the specifics are undefined. But the idea is that they wouldn't. I assume they could still figure it out by tracking the IP addresses of those who access the token and matching it to a company. But the company doesn't have to send a request. I assume you are just generating a link that says "This person is age X". So the link itself serves as the verification. The link would only be valid for 5-15 minutes, so you can't just steal it to impersonate someone else.

FlashMobOfOne,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

Does this have any real effect on porn access legislation, though?

Bearigator,

I think the goal more than anything is to get people motivated to vote. They won’t change any minds, but they might get some people who might otherwise he apathetic to go out and vote out some of the idiots running these states.

ashethursday,

There have been multiple cases of underage girls on PH and SA videos that PH wouldn’t remove when requested by the victim, even a verified account was a trafficked 15 year old. PH is another big corporation that doesn’t give a fuck about people don’t let them fool you

NuMetalAlchemist,

Do you not remember the purge? They went from 12M vids to 2M overnight. And now it’s verified posters only. Sure, took em long enough to do something about it, but so far they are the only ones to do anything about it.

ashethursday,

Im not ready to give them a pat on the back and a gold star because they took down videos of people being raped 🤷‍♀️ that’s kind of the bare minimum. If all internet porn platforms contain some unethical or not-consensual content and PornHub has the least, that’s not a good enough reason to promote them imo

SpacemanZ,
SpacemanZ avatar

This law is sponsored by Nord VPN

acedelgado,
acedelgado avatar

This actually pushed me and a couple of friends to subscribe to Nord; I'd been thinking I should get a VPN for a while anyways. I looked through VPN's and I ended up liking Nord's feature set and price vs ExpressVPN. Never thought I'd use them back when they were EVERY video's sponsor on YouTube lol.

kdj_770,

Right? It’s almost as if the “lawmakers” have no technical knowledge.

jtk,
@jtk@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I’ve never used Nord but the fact they’re the ones getting pushed on users by corporate “security” packages and identity theft FUD scammers indicates to me that Nord is the VPN “they” want you to use. Mullvad for the win.

FartsWithAnAccent,
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

Kinda weird that it’s just Pornhub: Aren’t they owned by the same parent company of like pretty much all the other streaming porn sites?

CrypticCoffee,

Wankers… (the lawmakers, not PH)

keeeener,

technically …

tallwookie,
@tallwookie@lemmy.world avatar

why is this getting so much traction in the media? there’s so many other, arguably better resources for pornography on the interwebs

cybersandwich,

Yea, so many better sites.

We should list them here so everyone can avoid them though.

BrianTheeBiscuiteer,

Sorry mate. If your state blocks porn in this way you need to move or vote for better representation.

Kaliax,

It’s important to ensure coverage of state control. These “moral” issues being delt with via legislative means is abhorrent. Land of the free, eh?

Mediocre_Bard,

Nah man. Freedom for me, not for thee.

killick,
killick avatar

Would you want to be responsible for checking IDs over the internet? No sane company would want to be responsible for getting it wrong.

Also, would you be willing to send a scan of your drivers license to a porn website? Any website?

Fermiverse, (edited )

You could make the check with your ID card in a way that a middle ware reads the card and just gives the ok signal to the site. No personal data is transfered outside .

I use an lvl 3 smardcard reader for things like this. NFC on the ID is checked, PIN entered in the reader and the middle ware verifies that you are sitting at the PC.

In the moment of request you can see what data is transfered because to use this service they have to be verified by the middle ware service as well in advance for access to the process.

Menel,

Thats exactly what PH is advocating for, device manufacturers to handle it, securely, privately, on device.

Seasons,

I think it’s just highlighting that state governments are making crazy laws like this, and PH is one of the big dogs everyone knows

d_cent,

I couldn’t disagree more. Pornhub is the best porn website we have right now by far. They consistently do a great job of moderating to remove underage porn and revenge porn while also all monetizing for the creators. I don’t think a lot of people realize how good we have it worth pornhub

ashethursday,

There have been multiple cases of underage girls on PH and SA videos that PH wouldn’t remove when requested by the victim, even a verified account was a trafficked 15 year old. PH is another big corporation that doesn’t give a fuck about people don’t let them fool you

d_cent,

All of that is true and yet it’s still the best we have. It says more about how bad the rest of the websites are. The alternatives are awful or will cost money.

d_cent,

All of that is true and yet it’s still the best we have. It says more about how bad the rest of the websites are. The alternatives are awful or will cost money.

BarrierWithAshes,
BarrierWithAshes avatar

Pornhub has just become the goto for any pornographic crap in the media. Other sites literally just don't care. I doubt many would even respond to a journalist looking for a statement. Basically the same as the Satanic Church doing something any time a religious bill gets passed in the States.

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