werefreeatlast,

Let me explain…the same people that brought you windows 3, 95, 98, 2000, nt, XP, etc now want to obtain everything you type via an AI tool they created.

They would know all your health history, everything you scan, your photos relating to family and work secrets, etc. for the corporate, they would know who from LinkedIn will get the job and who will be fired. They will know about layoffs and about business secrets and success. Etc.

It’s pretty simple. Rather than just a keylogger, Microsoft wants you to use a smart keylogger that they control. How is that not the dumbest thing to ever use at work? It’s gotta be the biggest IT security failure ever.

phoenixz,

Now for all governments in the world: install Linux already and get it over with. Cut your dependence on an abusive and crappy software vendor

phoenixz,

Which then raises the question: why isn’t the US using open source software everywhere, paying the same -or very likely - much less to maintain and expand said software? Can you imagine the money stream towards thousands of devs fixing any (but, feature or security) issue, which they would already do for free? Finally some recognition and so on.

Finally they’d have software that they can trust and rely upon, it’ll kill one huge company and spawn hundreds of smaller companies. Win-win all around

lud,

Because there is seldom a good replacement for the majority of software that enterprises use.

s1nistr4,

As much as I like FOSS it’s significantly harder to fund.

With proprietary you keep the source code, ship the app, collect data & sell it, and charge for a premium /subscription. They then use that money to fund talented devs and give them deadlines to make good software.

With FOSS it’s largely contribution work by people who work on it in their free time. They use donations or paying for enterprise support, and if they do add a subscription service / premium version you can just modify the code and get it for free.

That’s largely why FOSS software is behind, what’s the direct incentive for someone to make it good?

lemmyvore,

An administration that were really looking to liberate itself of proprietary software and develop a sustainable policy would analyze its needs and look for software that matches them, not shape their needs around the proprietary software they’re already using.

If you start by thinking “what software does things exactly the same as this one I’m using” of course you’ll never move on. Microsoft obfuscates their software on purpose so you can never find 100% compatible stuff.

Corkyskog,

You’re living in a fantasy land. The software you’re referencing, largely doesn’t exist how a corporate environment utilizes it. Even just excel, the employees need it, you can’t teach someone 5 years from retirement a new spreadsheet program. Sure you could buy licenses from MS, but I bet if big organizations started doing it, they would stop. Or only sell the entire MS suite at some insane price. Adobe? Haha

KingThrillgore,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Because open source doesn’t have support contracts

phoenixz,

Really? Maybe ask redhat? Ubintu? And those are the large ones, there are loads of companies that give support contracts.

Duamerthrax,

I’m sure there are other companies, but here’s Red Hat’s Support options.

Bahnd,

If its anything like the private sector its a mostly a liability thing. If something is wrong with the program, you can sue the vendor. With open source… Thats a lot harder to do. Large groups wont use the thing if you cant put the blame on someone else when it breaks.

0x0,

I’d focus on enforcing standards and interoperability first, in a serious an highly punitive fashion for offenders.

If you can read/write your spreadsheet using any spreadsheet tool or OS you’re half-way there and will’ve severely hampered the old embrace-extend-extinguish (it’s still a thing).

lemmyvore,

Unfortunately the ISO certification process for office document formats was subverted by Microsoft to require their OOXML formats instead of the ODF (Open Document Format) that was being prepared for this role. And then they continued by not implementing the certified format correctly in Office anyway.

As a result it’s virtually impossible for any law-abiding, taxpayer-answering government to argue for adopting ODF over OOXML

It’s also impossible to find any other software that supports existing documents, because Microsoft introduces differences from the spec on purpose and any software that tries to stick to the official OOXML format can’t process them 100% correctly.

Any government that wants to wean itself off Microsoft documents would have to first conduct an investigation, explain why ODF is the better format, demonstrate that Microsoft doesn’t follow their own spec, then accept the fact they’re gonna partially lose their existing documents if they move away, and only then they’d be able to start the process of looking for ODF-supporting software and companies, and convert their docs and processes.

nickwitha_k,

demonstrate that Microsoft doesn’t follow their own spec

I genuinely feel bad for MS devs because of all of the garbage that they have to deal with because of scummy management and the Balmer years.

ThrowawayPermanente,

Bad procurement is a national security threat

0nekoneko7,
@0nekoneko7@lemmy.world avatar

Duh!

Fedizen,

Its kind of funny to me that by pushing data harvesting of OS’s and office data then selling it to 3rd parties Microsoft has probably become the biggest security threat to the US government, maybe ever. And its all because the US refuses to pass basic consumer privacy protections.

menemen,
@menemen@lemmy.world avatar

The US at least has some degree of control over Microsoft. How much worse is that the EU is still not developing an own OS/distro?

NekkoDroid,
@NekkoDroid@programming.dev avatar
  1. SUSE is an in germany founded company (now in Luxembourg)
  2. www.sovereigntechfund.de
  3. Not having a government directly develop a “blessed OS” is probably for the better
menemen,
@menemen@lemmy.world avatar

I am not talking about a OS for the general public, but specifically for the administration.

And this will work much better with a unified attempt. If the EU would be taking OpenSuse for this, this would basically be the end of OpenSuses independence… I’d like it to be GNU/Linux based though.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Wouldn’t they just get enterprise SUSE licenses instead? Why bother with openSUSE?

Takios,
@Takios@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

There were grassroots movements like the Limux project (Munich using a custom Linux distribution). But that got shut down by Microsoft bribery (not confirmed, but MS did build a new headquarters in Munich…).

menemen,
@menemen@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, that was a shame. But I really think we’d need a shared OS for all administration units of the EU (from EU level down to munipiality levels). Would be much easier as the private sector could also adjust to it.

Treczoks, (edited )

Whoever uses Microsoft products should be aware from the start that security is a low priority for them. If you can accept the risk, fine. If you can’t, think about the consequences.

quoll,

sure its fun to shit on public servants being old and not wanting to change from microsoft office. there is more then a little truth in that.

but IT departments are often staffed with techs that cant and dont want to do anything but microsoft, it really doesnt matter how much better linux is.

SupraMario,

It’s no IT… it’s what everyone knows and what developers make their software for. Most enterprise software is windows designed, it’s an ecosystem that’s very hard to break away from.

HarkMahlberg,
HarkMahlberg avatar

It's an ecosystem that's hard to break away from because, despite all the bloat and clunk, developing on Windows is a lot nicer than developing on other operating systems. Even now I find it so much easier to write C# in Visual Studio than C++ anywhere, even Visual Studio. I have so much less to worry about when MSDocs are organized, versioned, readable, and provide examples. Then I look at cmake docs...

I'm biased because I'm working on a C++ app right now and not having a good time lol

Kyouki,

This hits the nail perfectly, as well as users just only knowing Windows because it’s the first type of device you learn most likely through the schooling system.

  • IT I do run Linux myself and plan on deploying more Microservices through it.
rottingleaf,

Most enterprise software is more complex and heavy than it needs to be.

douglasg14b,
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

Most enterprise software has to meet constantly shifting goals requirements certifications and regulations.

In most cases it’s complicated because it has to be and because it’s been driven to be complicated over time to meet the complex needs of the business.

The software will represent the business, if the business is too complicated then the software will be too complicated. It’s impossible to separate the software complication from the business in that sense.

rottingleaf,

Fair.

Lettuceeatlettuce,
@Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml avatar

As an IT sys-admin, you’re largely correct. We are losing the essence more and more of proper sys-admin work.

IT staff are becoming more ecosystem maintainers than actual integrators and solutions experts. Instead of doing deep research on the problem and architecting actual solutions, many sys-admins just send off a quote request to a single external vendor and then call it good.

The research, quoting, planning, implementation, configuration, testing, monitoring, and maintenance are all outsourced. The sys-admins are just left with a simple web dashboard or desktop app that they often don’t even understand well, and a support line for when things need to get fixed/upgraded.

It’s a glorified help desk position in many cases. I’ve worked with several 10-15+ year admins that don’t even know how to spec out a server, how to architect a basic network topology, how to optimize a SAN or NAS solution, etc.

They go with the default without a second thought. Email = O365 Office apps = MS Office suite Virtualization = VMware/Azure/HyperV Servers = HP/Dell

And because they are used to it, it propagates onward. If you want to break out of that, you have to be intentional every step of the way.

Tbird83ii,

On the other side of this, you have company’s that are in tangential fields looking to grab up a piece of that pie. Electricians, low voltage companies, fucking furniture companies (oh, we totally do audiovisual, that’s similar enough), the C-suite is trying to force their way into this new golden goose and expecting their staff to be able to handle this without training, time, or real hands on experience. And, no, a 2 day workshop from a manufacturer isn’t really “training”, at least not the only training needed…

rottingleaf,

but IT departments are often staffed with techs that cant and dont want to do anything but microsoft, it really doesnt matter how much better linux is.

Yeah, I’ve met such. When they encounter the need to use Linux, their critique of it is connected to the first link in Google not working by copy-paste.

tastysnacks,

No homo

tearsintherain,
@tearsintherain@leminal.space avatar

Microsoft, an early example of enshittification. I read about the pay-to-play nickel and diming of security logs to cloud providers. Logs which would help identify intrusions. Theres just been so many examples of security failuers that highlight the company knows its embedded status within the US govt, and knows it can do less for more.

4am,

Microsoft knows the government needs something, and is insistent on squeezing as many of your tax dollars from them as possible, or leaving us all vulnerable.

Capitalism is terrorism.

Fedizen,

Literally the plot of the new fallout show

melpomenesclevage,

oh do I need to watch that?

Fedizen,

I would recommend.

doublejay1999,
@doublejay1999@lemmy.world avatar

I feel like they are so close to an epiphany……

Brewchin,

Another subscription model, you mean?

ThePyroPython,

Well y’all decided that finding and keeping zero-day exploits were more important than contacting the companies to fix them because you looked at both approaches and decided that intelligence gathering scale > cyber security robustness.

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