Good enough for the later Echelons. There is a ton of logistic and support troops basically never needing to use their guns and they will be happy having a gun with two mags forever.
Does Ukraine really want a bunch of guns of different makes and models that accept different types of ammunition? That seems like it’d be more of a hinderance than a help, logistically.
Ukraine has been using a patchwork of different weapons and calibers since the wars beginning. If we want to say all infantry weapons being sent are of the same caliber they have two old Soviet weapons and now NATO standard hardware. Grunts can carry a 7.62x39mm AK, a 5.56x45mm M4, or a 5.45x39mm AK. Ukrainian soldiers have been spotted carrying even older caliber weapons like the Mosin’s 7.62x54mmR, 7.62x51mm NATO in FAL rifles, and I wouldn’t be surprised if older equipment is in use. If this drags out long I’m guessing we will see the gradual standardization around 5.56 with NATO equipment as stores of Russian surplus runs out if it hasn’t already and Ukraine is relying on captured ammunition for it’s AK platform weapons.
On another note I am surprised the US hasn’t supplied 5.56 chambered AK’s, habits die hard in soldiers and I’m sure many would like to have an AK made reliably in the caliber being supplied.
They are… Not common, I just figured if we’re manufacturing the American RPG’s for soldiers we might do something similar with American AKs, though I guess learning a new rifle is easier than learning a new rocket system.
Izhmash actually exported sporter AKs in .223 for the civilian market for a good number of years. It was a fairly less common model but they are around. Zastava (serbian) made 223 AKs as well. There are US made rifles as well. I would not want to carry any of those odd ducks into battle though when everything around me is 5.45 and 7.62x39, or an AR in its proper caliber. In particular I don’t think the mags are interchangeable with AK74 mags and you wouldn’t want to risk using the wrong ammo anyway.
Pretty sure there’s a lot of 5.56 from NATO in the recent days. On the other hand, that Soviet stockpile won’t last forever, especially this keeps dragging on…
You’re right about the export AK, tho. Interesting that a lot of them is NATO chambered but with standard AK magazines.
Oh for sure there’s a ton of 5.56 in Ukraine, but the mags used by .223/5.56 aks are not standard ak mags which makes them unsuitable among probably other reasons to carry into battle.
Oh for sure there’s a ton of 5.56 in Ukraine, but the mags used by .223/5.56 aks are not standard ak mags which makes them unsuitable among probably other reasons to carry into battle.
And the majority of weapons will use a small variety of ammo. Handguns will vary more widely, but then, handgun ammo will be much less in demand. The US army doesn’t even issue handguns to infantry (with few exeptions).
I think Gun Jesus has a video about this. They have alsorts of small arms but they tend to group the same ones together so a platoon sized element have the same equipment
Is this actually helpful here’s a bunch of random guns of varying quality and caliber do they work don’t know can you get the ammunition don’t I get the pr there your problem now
My dad told me from his mandatory service, that the sowjet made pistols were so bad, that you’d better throw them, than shoot at ranges past 15m. So can’t bebworse than that.
Yeah, I think part of it is their reflexive contrarianism, where "Demorcat Party LIKE Ukraine, so we will oppose it! They hate Russia, so we love it!" And yeah, basically Putin has the same politics as they do: fascism. It's astounding to listen to things he says (as in, the particular style of manipulative lying) and realize it sounds exactly like the BS that Republicans say.
While this was a nice gesture, would 101 random weapons bought off equally random Florida Men all at least share the same ammo? A gun’s just an awkward club without proper ammo.
Depends, looks like the rifles here are AK and AR style, so they probably take 7.62mm (which I imagine is pretty common in Eastern Europe) and 5.56/.223 (which the US military is probably supplying them by the bucket), respectively. That said, the hand guns are probably a mix of .22, 9mm, and .45 among other random less common calibers
Heaps of 7.62 here. Not so many 5.56 or 9mm, you have to import it, AK74 uses incompatible Soviet 5.45 caliber.
Assault rifles are welcome, anything is better than standard-issue AK74, which combines excess weight with poor accuracy and awkward handling. Even smaller guns are fine, SMGs are pretty much the same 200 meter effective range as AK while being shorter. As long as you can find ammo for them.
Please send some grenade launchers and RPGs, they are immediately useful.
You can use the more random arms for non front line use. Even if you need to find an ammo you don’t normally stock, a normal police office only carries a few mags on hand anyways.
Real issue is actually going to be a (lack of) full auto. Sincerely doubt anything in these pics is an MG. Even if Ukraine fabricates automatic components (drop-in-auto-sears do exist for ARs), the barrels aren’t going to hold up to automatic fire well.
They might be useful in a police/border guard/militia capacity, though?
I looked it up since I was curious too. They’re going to a specific city for use by their local police.
They’ll go directly to Miami’s newest sister city, Irpin, a war-torn area just outside the capital city of Kyiv, where dozens of civilians have been killed.
“Some would say we are stepping out of our bounds as a city to take this on,” said Miami City Commissioner Ken Russell. “This is for the average folks on the ground and the municipality employees, just like ourselves.”
Miami Police chief Manuel Morales is helping coordinate the effort and says the 167 guns will go to the city’s local police department.
Are the Ukrainian grunts really using full auto that much? Does trench warfare make it useful in a way that urban and mobile warfare doesn’t use? My understanding is that basically no one outside of designated machinegunners really use full auto.
Anyway, like you said, at the very least it’ll free up other weapons for the front lines.
It might could work in a pinch, especially if they used the ARs as squad marksman rifles? I just doubt its the kind of compromise Ukraine wants to make for its front-line equipment.
I’ve seen them use auto bursts plenty of times in combat footage. They need suppressing fire for dismounting their troop carriers and usually empty mags into trenches.
Illegal guns get flipped if I’m not mistaken. Like unregistered automatic rifles that gets resold and smuggled across county and state lines. It’s probable that some russian mobsters got a piece of the action is what I’m saying. Mobsters don’t need to stick to their own nation states and will move around to where they can make money.
But I live in a rural English town where the most exciting thing that happens is the elderly folk fighting over who has control over the flowers near the rectory. Are you saying they are russian agents? For real?
Edit: and now you’ve edited your post, making mine seem like nonsense.
Officials on Tuesday said that the city has cleared the plan with the U.S. State Department and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Miami’s city government has not yet signed an agreement with a licensed exporter but hopes to ship the guns within a few weeks, said Miami Police Chief Manny Morales.
The resolution said that the weapons would be shipped with the help of the nonprofit Ukrainian Congress Committee of America (UCCA). Commissioner Russell told Insider: "We are in contact with a licensed gun exporter who has the ability to ship the guns."
LMAO, I didn’t take a close look at the photo and thought that was Zillensky posing with the guns. But your comment made me double check since it was all in the uncertain future tense.
I was only able to find articles from about 2 weeks ago. I think I said something suggesting they completed it, but I’m not sure. This entire discussion is based on a photo of some random guy with guns and one sentence… not super reliable.
That would be a perfect way for the Ukrainians to end up with out of spec guns with random wish dot con components that have had improper gunsmithing done to them.
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