Lemmy is not immune to trolls, bad fait actors or propaganda - in fact, despite how bad reddit is, a lot of Lemmy instances are worse

I’m done, I’ve been banned for expressing a different opinion (without insulting or personally attacking anyone), I’ve been accused of evading a ban with multiple accounts (this is my only account I’ve ever had on any lemmy instance), I’ve had people selectively ignore my comments and accuse me of things which I never said, and I’ve had people ignore valid criticisms and keep attacking me.

Reddit has many issues with trolls, one-sided discussion, and just general bullshit, but many Lemmy instances are way worse. The newfound freedom of Lemmy has attracted many extremists, from both sides, and many of them are moderators, who are more than happy to remove any contrarian opinions. This results in discussions being echo chambers

echo64,

Lemmy (and reddit to a degree) is not like other social networks where you are lumped into one giant community. It’s many communities, and you’ll find that you are welcome in some and not welcome in others. That includes your politics and your views.

I don’t think I’d be very welcome in a community of conspiracy nuts, especially when I counter everything they say. I think they would remove me from that community at some point, and that’s okay, self policing of communities is okay. Sometimes you aren’t welcome.

flipps,

Do you believe in aliens?

Norgur,

I do since I have watched those outstanding documentaries on history channel! Did you know that everything back in the past was either a landing spot or a battery? I mean, those brown people in the past clearly could not have chiseled those blocks, fucking barbaric tribespeople. They were ancient people and colored no less! It must have been aliens, right?

flipps,

Check this out en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

A_Very_Big_Fan,

Not OP but, I think if space is as big as we think it is outside the observable universe, it’s very likely that they exist. I think it’s not very likely that they’ve visited us.

Serinus,

Every known civilization seems to burn their home atmosphere well before they achieve inter-system travel.

A_Very_Big_Fan, (edited )

Do you have a single non-fiction example

Serinus,

Yes, in fact it’s pretty obvious.

A_Very_Big_Fan,

So obvious you couldn’t give me anything, huh

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

She goes to a different school… or something.

Daft_ish,

What if they block you but coin themselves “the last bastion of free speach.”

chunkystyles,

I’m not sure what you’re getting at. This happens all the time and they’re just plain old hypocrites about it.

KISSmyOS,

Then you were most likely blocked from a far-right-wing instance. Take it as a badge of honor.

ImplyingImplications,

Yes and that’s what I like about Lemmy. Each community decides what it’s about and how it’s members behave. It’s not much different from communities in real life.

BolexForSoup, (edited )
BolexForSoup avatar

I’ve been banned for expressing a different opinion (without insulting or personally attacking anyone)

We all know how this story goes and it rarely lines up with the above description. I also noticed you didn’t say anything about not breaking any of the rules.

I’d be very curious to see the full context here.

Re: echo chambers, I don’t get the whole “anti-echo chamber” thing. We select people to be friends we generally like and agree with. We often don’t associate with people we don’t like or disagree with. Why should social media be some totally egalitarian social exposure? That’s literally never been the case ever. We read what we want to read. We talk to who we want to talk to. I’m not going to be guilted into listening to some jerk who thinks gay people shouldn’t marry and belong in hell. I don’t want to share a beer with them, I would never invite them to dinner in my home, so why should I have to deal with them living rent free in my mind because I saw some ignorant post on social media?

I have plenty of work colleagues and family I disagree with, I read sources I don’t always love. I get plenty of exposure to other ways of thinking and ideas. Do I think people can go too far and literally only surround themselves with “yes men” socially? Sure. But come on. How many of us actually spend equal time with people we both agree and disagree ideologically with?

downpunxx,
downpunxx avatar

Dude, I've blocked half the user base of LEMMY, MASTODON and KBIN for being terrorist supporting antisemitic "genocide" accusing cunts.

"Not immune"? lol This entire Fediverse platform is a sewer of Jew baiting, and Islamic terrorist support.

There's no MOD on any of these platforms who looks out for, or defends the Jewish community, and it's a free for all and a feeding frenzy when anyone has the temerity to say Islamic terrorism is bad, and Israel has a necessity in defending it's millions of citizens against murder, rape, and evisceration by bloodthirsty Nazi Arabs vowed to kill Jews.

I see you, and I support you, but the 95% of all the rest of the users in the Fediverse won't. This is digital pogrom, and all the kids are getting into it. It's a free way to attack Jews, but not see themselves as the same Nazi scum they've always been through antiquity.

roguetrick,

Speak of the devil. Downpunxx, this is lemmy.world. You're banned from lemmy.world. The OP can't see your goddamn post. I'm sure he's just blocked me at this point.

livus,
livus avatar

@roguetrick have to hand it to him though, that comment is a master class in how to write an Unreliable Narrator.

OpenStars,
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There is one MAJOR difference: here you can make not only your own sub/community, where you can be your own mod, but you can spin up your own whole entire instance, and become your own admin. Oh Reddit, you serve The Man (spez) or you can GTFO - so we did the latter:-P (some perhaps due to being kicked out of their former mod role bc of the protests) - but here, nobody can tell us what to do, in the end.

Ofc there are limits even there, like someone can defederate from you if you refuse to control yourself, even unintentionally like if you don’t follow basic security and constantly get hacked.

It’s like being able to own your own home. When you visit a community on someone else’s instance, you are their GUEST, and you have to follow THEIR rules. The homeowner owns the community while the mayor or governor or President or Prime Minister or whatever controls the entire city / state / country or in this case “instance”. Right or wrong, it’s THEIRS, so your options are limited - you don’t get to just walk into someone else’s HOME and tell them what to do!?

But here, unlike Reddit, on your own personal computer (desktop machine even, doesn’t need a whole “server”) you can make your own place. From there, you could invite others… or not, as you choose. Inside your own home, unless you do something that may cause the police (like FBI) to come knocking, you control yourself, and also you have the responsibility and right to kick off anyone you choose who refuses to play by the rules that YOU set forth.

So do whatever you want. Ofc others have the same freedom too.

UnrepententProcrastinator,

I’m mostly here because I think social media shouldn’t be owned by a corpo.

I have no illusions as to the quality of the people or discussion I end up engaging with.

Being able to let strangers be wrong on the Internet and let it go is just what is required of us if you want to preserve your sanity while keeping an Internet presence.

The unfed troll dies.

A_Random_Idiot,

I’ve had people selectively ignore my comments and accuse me of things which I never said, and I’ve had people ignore valid criticisms and keep attacking me.

Thats basic internet bad faith arguing 101.

Don’t argue what the person said, argue what you imagine the person said.

its quite popular.

KISSmyOS,

I’m guessing this ban was on lemmy.ml? They’ll ban you for not sucking Xi Jinping’s peepee enthusiastially enough.

stoly,

I think it’s less that some instances are worse and more that people have consolidated into a few instances and turned eviler.

Smoogs,

Sometimes it does feel like Reddit circa 2005 when beatwomen subs were casually accepted

Xtallll,
@Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I started paying attention to usernames and noticed that there are only ever 3 or 4 accounts carrying on in the comments about anything, they just go at it like it’s their job.

FontMasterFlex,

thank you, at least someone is saying it.

Sensitivezombie,

While Reddit is mainstream, Lemmy is populated by the fringe. The mass exodus didn’t occur by the mainstream, and people with moderate views. It was people with more extreme views from various fronts (privacy, anti-corporation, etc). If Lemmy’s and Fediverse growth continues, it will too become mainstream thereby attracting people with mainstream, moderate views.

viking,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

Yep, Lemmy is very un-diverse in its struggle to embrace diversity.

TubularTittyFrog,

Diverse how?

reagansrottencorpse,

Bye Felicia.

yamanii,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

At least your comment won’t be hidden because it has many downvotes.

cali_ash,

Even on reddit that could easily be circumvented by using a different frontend or app. And it’s something that can easily be implemented by frontends/apps for lemmy.

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