Szymon,

So what’s your breaking point? What’s society’s?

prole,

Americans have been conditioned for nearly a century now to be far too comfortable to do anything. The fascists have learned their lesson, and this time they are much better at keeping people from caring until it’s too late.

PhlubbaDubba,

Makes me wonder what the numbers would be if we did tax brackets for capital property.

Like with incomes there’s might be a standard deviation curve but people are considered at least diet rich in this country if they can afford to own a second home for whatever purpose.

Going up to three properties I’m pretty sure makes viewing it based on percentile pointless.

cyberpunk007,

What’s crazy is I pay around 45% income tax. And these people have their billions. How about anyone making less than 500k a year doesn’t get taxed, and those fuckers pay.

andros_rex,

Rich people don’t keep their money in cash. It’s in assets - land, houses, businesses… They pay someone to figure out what they can write off. They also will know to the dime what the maximum amount they can donate and write off, distribute the wealth among family, and have access to all kinds of exotic financial instruments.

WetBeardHairs,

The billionaires could have their tax attorneys make them look like they have no net income. It’s a complicated game. If you tax their wealth, they’ll just shift the ownership to a trust or corporation that they technically don’t control. And that’s assuming you could even find most of their wealth!

Really I think the answer is we need to try them for crimes against humanity and forbid them from owning any assets.

Alto, (edited )
Alto avatar

Not directly related to income tax, but I'm a big believer in having property taxed on an exponential scale. Start off quite low for your first property, a vacation home is still reasonable, but by the time you're much past that it becomes completely unreasonable to keep buying properties. Add a hefty multiplier for empty units on top of that, and you'd go a long way to fixing the issue with property hoarding.

E: sp

HappycamperNZ,

I believe a person/family should be allowed up to 3

  • live in
  • rent
  • bach.

Anything above that gets taxed in every way we can so you can and do make a profit, but its considered similar to other financial investments including risk.

Not sure how the loopholes would work if they own part with an ex, or kids, or single to relationship, but the general idea.

Alto,
Alto avatar

That doesn't really solve anything. As long as there is profit to be made, people will horrendously abuse it. That's not something we want when were in the middle of a homeless crisis yet we have more than enough empty housing for them.

Maybe once everyone's basic housing needs are met we can talk, but until then no.

WetBeardHairs,

Individuals owning a single rental property aren’t really the problem here. Many individuals and small groups own dozens of LLCs and REITs each with their own residential properties. Many corporations own multiple thousands of residences.

Freeing the residences from the clutches of the corporate interests would make such a huge impact that the real estate prices would normalize. At least temporarily.

Alto,
Alto avatar

My point wasn't that you can't have a rental home, it's that you shouldn't stop the increase in tax rate at 3. If you want to try to have a 4th or 5th you can, you're just going to be paying an exorbitant property tax rate to the point where viewing real estate as an investment is moronic.

WetBeardHairs,

I think you misunderstood /u/HappyCamperNZ’s comment

Alto,
Alto avatar

I think you're misunderstanding my point. Frankly the terms "investment" and "housing" don't belong near each other in the first place. "Making it similar to other Investments" is still putting those two words way the fuck too close to each other.

Nobody cares if you're renting out Grandma's house to pay for her nursing home currently (even though that's an entirely separate problem that absolutely needs addressing). That's not what the majority of rentals are.

Rivalarrival,

Phase in a significant increase in property taxes, with a commensurate owner-occupant credit against it for 1-4 unit homes.

You can own as many homes as you want. Occupants of your homes will have greater value to you as co-owners or buyers than as tenants. You can make money selling your homes under land contract (“rent to own”) or by private mortgage. Traditional rental agreements on single family homes will be less feasible.

You can own a duplex, triplex, or quadplex and keep the owner-occupant credit so long as you or another owner maintains at least one of the units as a residence.

Basically, I think the property tax code should be used to motivate both landlords and tenants toward ownership rather than rental.

Illuminostro,
nbafantest,

Remember, any time you see this headline, they’re cherrypicking the date to after the richest men lost 50% of their wealth in the Stock collapse immediately after covid/lockdowns hit.

Gloomy,
@Gloomy@mander.xyz avatar
nbafantest,

You can even see the dip in Elon’s networth in 2020 in this chart lol If they had started 1 month earlier, Elons net worth would have only 3x instead they cherry picked a date after Elon’s networth had halved, so instead it 6x’ed.

Gloomy, (edited )
@Gloomy@mander.xyz avatar

I don’t see it. Like, honestly, I can’t see it. If you zoom in you can see months and years.

The major dip I see in 2020 was from around 50 billion in Feb to 25 billion in April.

His net worth right now is 227.8 Billion (the graph ends in early 2023)

So it’s either 9 x higher if you take the 25 Billion or about 4.5 times higher if you take the 50 Billion. So they took the highest number.

What are you on about mate?

nbafantest,

I don’t see it. Like, honestly, I can’t see it. If you zoom in you can see months and years.

The major dip I see in 2020 was from around 50 billion in Feb to 25 billion in April.

Hey! You found when they cherry picked the dates for this headline! Congrats!

SoylentBlake,

“Morbidly Wealthy”…“Economically Obese”…?

tacosplease,

Doesn’t morbid mean - dangerous for life? As in those parasites are looking more succulent each day. LOL

UFODivebomb,

Can’t wait to read some idiot’s argument on why Trump is the right guy to fix this lol

AeonFelis,
oascany,

This is actually really funny

UFODivebomb,

Lol. Lovely way to introduce that fact. Excellent delivery! Going to copy you :)

NaNABCV,

Thank goodness Biden is doing so much to combat this

fosforus, (edited )

Ok, so … Biden’s economic policies are worse than Trump’s were?

Or perhaps a tiny thing called war in Europe and worst pandemic in a century is having some teeny tiny effects in world economy. But when you detect a fire inside your house, it’s often smarter to use a fire extinguisher to douse it, not gasoline.

nbafantest,

Ok, so … Biden’s economic policies are worse than Trump’s were?

This is a cherry picked headline based on the stockmarket crashing immediately after covid/lockdowns hit. Its a good thing that Biden’s economy has fully recovered since then. There was no guarantee that we wouldn’t be in a depression after the lockdowns. The fact that the economy and stock market are back to normal after covid is not a bad thing, despite the scary sounding headline.

ShortFuse,

“When the firefighter arrived, 50% of the building was burned. When they left, 70%.”

Under your logic, firefighters used gasoline to burn the other 20%.

crsu,
@crsu@lemmy.world avatar

Make billionaires extinct

Darkncoldbard,

You got a plan?

KredeSeraf,

Large mobs and guillotines seemed to work fine a while back. Larger mobs and guillotines should still do nicely.

rambling_lunatic,
bitwaba,

The fun thing about that is if you live in a western nation, you’re almost guaranteed to be on the chopping block for being in the top 10% of earners world wide.

reagansrottencorpse,

I doubt many or any of us own the means of production.

bitwaba,

People don’t act rationally when heads start rolling.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

by making trillionaire the new milionaire?

Malfeasant,

Eat them!

Darkncoldbard,

Go ahead… right behind you

Yewb,

These are all paper gains if they would never be able to realize that money in reality.

Blackmist,

Just see how much they claim to be worth when we finally get a wealth tax.

Sentau,

Yeah but to achieve this paper gains I would wager a lot of people have been screwed out of their real money

rabiddolphin,
@rabiddolphin@lemmy.world avatar

You can use paper gains as leverage for loans against the gains and get that sweet liquidity to pay for underage escorts at Davos

NaNABCV,

Oh be quiet. I bet you believe in pizza gate

nbafantest,

You still have to pay taxes on whenever you need income to pay those loans

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

In their pockets flation

wabafee,
@wabafee@lemmy.world avatar

Man that’s bad why aren’t people doing something about this. Me then proceed to continue doomscrolling.

Xer0,

If you really believe in the words that you preach, get off your screens and onto the streets. There will be no peaceful revolution, no war without blood. You can say I’m just a fool that stands for nothing. Well, to that, I say you’re a cunt.

Macaroni_ninja,
@Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world avatar

Whoa whoa whoa dude

GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

r/Iam14andedgy

Xer0,

sugma

Colonel_Panic_,

As anyone who has played the board game Monopoly can tell you, this is the point in the game where the game is effectively “over”, the winner has been decided. That one player owns most of the board and the rest are hanging on with mortgages and selling off their houses and properties to hang on for one more turn and hoping to land on a space that doesn’t bankrupt them. But we all know they eventually will.

So, when do we say GG, pack up the board and try something else?

Muffi,

GG? The game was rigged from the start. It’s time to flip the table.

RememberTheApollo_,

“Rigged” is human nature. There’s always people wanting to climb to the top of the heap and hoard anything of value and amass power. At no point in human civilization has this not been true. Kings, religions, merchants, even the criminal class. They all have people trying to place themselves in control to reap the money and rewards of others’ work.

You have to “un” rig the system with controls to prevent obscene collection of wealth and power; and even then it’s a continuous, non-stop battle to prevent the rich and powerful, and their sycophants and supporters, from constantly trying to find workarounds and/or undermine the system keeping them from their economic gluttony.

rambling_lunatic,

Yeah. We should probably destroy the hierarchy at some point. Make it so you literally can’t hoard wealth and force others to work for you.

set_secret,

i have no clue why you received a downvote for this.

I’ll vote for you.

Patches,

If a Monkey tried to collect two hundred and thirty billion bananas - he would’ve been ripped in half by the other monkeys with his head on a banana pike as a warning. This is not ‘business as usual’…

RememberTheApollo_,

And we’re not monkeys. What an awful analogy considering monkeys have no concept of hoarding wealth, much less any other facets of human society that drives wealth acquisition at the expense of others.

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