US fears Canada-India row over Sikh activist's killing could upend strategy for countering China

The Biden administration is nervously watching a dispute between Canada and India, with some officials concerned it could upend the U.S. strategy toward the Indo-Pacific that is directed at blunting China’s influence there and elsewhere.

Publicly, the administration has maintained that Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s allegations that the Indian government may have been involved in the killing of a Sikh separatist near Vancouver are a matter between the two countries.

But U.S. officials have also repeatedly urged India to cooperate in the investigation. Those calls have been ignored thus far by India, which denies the allegations.

Behind the scenes, U.S. officials say they believe Trudeau’s claims are true. And they are worried that Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi may be adopting tactics to silence opposition figures on foreign soil akin to those used by Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia and North Korea, all of which have faced similar accusations.

roguetrick,

As long as India keeps electing fascists, I wouldn't expect much.

ristoril_zip,

Honestly I could see this being a strategy a country might try (in fact I’m sure that the US and USSR probably tried stuff like this during the Cold War). Break up partners by sowing distrust. China doesn’t have to win, they just have to make sure we lose.

reddit_sux,

This might just be an ploy by US to make sure that India toes its line in condemning Russia, which it should do inspite of everything else, and stop buying Russian oil. Canada is being made a scapegoat in this without getting its own hand dirty.

someguy3, (edited )

They should be happy that India didn’t assassinate a US citizen first. Now all the dirty laundry can come out, Canada gets the blame, and India can be told to knock it off while the US gets to play middleman.

trebuchet,

It kinda reminds me of when Saudi Arabia killed the Washington Post writer. Trump blew it off and Biden basically continued the Trump foreign policy.

Seems like normally consequences for acts at the global level are more based on geopolitical considerations than moral considerations. I could imagine if India assassinated a US citizen the intelligence would have just been buried and nobody would have ever heard about it so the US could contribute building up the India relationship to use against China.

rastilin, (edited )

Seems like normally consequences for acts at the global level are more based on geopolitical considerations than moral considerations. I could imagine if India assassinated a US citizen the intelligence would have just been buried and nobody would have ever heard about it so the US could contribute building up the India relationship to use against China.

Which I've always had trouble with, because if you know that someone is immoral, then why are you trusting that they're going to care about your relationship with them?

trailing9,

if you know that someone is immortal, then why are you trusting that they’re going to care about your relationship with them?

You meant immoral, didn’t you?

Good question both ways.

someguy3,

There can be only one.

reddit_sux,

Because like everything relationships are temporary from both sides. US will turn on India at a heartbeat if it can get Pakistan out from the clutches of china. It is easier to control Pakistan since it is a real fascist government. US has experience in controlling fascists.

rastilin,

In your example neither Pakistan or India are on America's side, so it's not reasonable to expect loyalty. Now consider this, what would make America turn on another western democracy like the UK, France, Australia or Canada. It would take a lot.

reddit_sux,

Can you with all that is known tell with 100% conviction that US has not spied on and carried out extra judicial action against any other western democracy.

gravitas_deficiency,

But like seriously India needs to stop fucking around. Russia does this sort of shit. Don’t be like Russia.

killerinstinct101,

Every country can and will go to great lengths to stop people from trying to infringe on their sovereignty. Dirty tactics (convert killings are honestly not even close to the worst these guys do) are the name of the game.

I’d be very surprised if the us will just let some revolt in Alaska allow it to become an independent nation for example.

ristoril_zip,

Are you comparing a person speaking and maybe even organizing with an actual (presumably armed) revolt?

Because that’s ALSO what Russia does (and China). And what most authoritarians do, too.

Unless I missed the part where the Canadian citizen India assassinated in Canada was somehow engaged in active violent resistance in India.

There’s international agreements to deal with actual criminal activity, and if there was actual criminal activity that India could prove they should have come after the guy they diplomacy not extrajudicial, sovereignty violating murder.

reddit_sux,

There is no proof of Indian involvement in the murder of Nijjar.

He was accused of anti-national activity, terrorism for which he fled to Canada and applied for residency. It was rejected. He married a Canadian to get citizenship. Formal extradition requests for him were done many times.

He was not a Canadian citizen by birth but was a criminal on the run.

If India did murder him it was unfortunate because it was done in another nation, and it failed the fundamental reason for such act, i.e to reduce terrorism.

Khalistani are not considered terrorists by the west since their activities are concentrated in a non western nation.

Nudding,

Bruh

BigDill99, (edited )

No proof? The U.K. and the U.S. have the call/email records. Get your head out of the sand. Given how extremely embarassed India is and the childish meltdown they’re having, they are probably hesitating to release them publicly to avoid more childish meltdowns. I’m sure they showed India the records, but India will lie, as they do.

And while you talk about sovereignty, what about the sovereignty of Canada?

reddit_sux,

Have they shown the proof to a court or is it in the public records. Is there a court order. Trudeau is a politician, his allegations might just be a political act and nothing might come of it.

Till then it is mere unsupported allegations. I hope you believe in innocent until proven guilty. If not then Canada forfiets it’s sovereignty when it supports and promotes terrorism in its supposed friendly nation. It is a terrorist state and according to the West’s playbook deserves action.

BigDill99, (edited )

What’s the point of posting it publicly? Canada, the U.S. and the U.K. are doing India a big favour by only showing the evidence privately. They don’t want another meltdown from India and they will probably just deny it again anyways. India needs to get it together and stop pushing their luck.

reddit_sux,

So we should believe in the words of a terrorist nation, a Nazi supporter, a white supremacist country which does genocide of native population and wages war on false premises.

Proofs of all these are in the public domain.

BigDill99,

You forgot the U.S. and the U.K. in there as well. Three nations vs. the words of… India.

reddit_sux,

US, UK merely agree that the allegations are serious none of them have publicly condemned India. None of them confirmed of having any proof of Indian involvement.

Innocent until proven guilty.

BigDill99,

Where do you get your information from? Indian media?

Five Eyes brought up the matter to Canada in the first place: reuters.com/…/shared-intelligence-five-eyes-infor…

reddit_sux,

Please go directly to the source where the US diplomat clearly says that “…if this is proven to be true…” if you can understand english

edmonton.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=2773568&jwso…

If you have any proof show it in the court ICJ or even Canadian court which is known to let go of terrorists and Nazis scot free.

BigDill99, (edited )

Of course they are playing with words. They’re playing it carefully when facing a master of funny business. And “shared intelligence” is inherently from a third party. What’s said was said.

Anyways, if it’s just Canada, which nation has more credibility on the world stage? India? Is that even a comparison?

No wonder India stopped the permits to end the brain drain over there.

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