Police raid Moscow gay bars after a Supreme Court ruling labeled LGBTQ+ movement ‘extremist’

Russian security forces raided gay clubs and bars across Moscow Friday night, less than 48 hours after the country’s top court banned what it called the “global LGBTQ+ movement” as an extremist organization.

Police searched venues across the Russian capital, including a nightclub, a male sauna, and a bar that hosted LGBTQ+ parties, under the pretext of a drug raid, local media reported.

Eyewitnesses told journalists that clubgoers’ documents were checked and photographed by the security services. They also said that managers had been able to warn patrons before police arrived.

Aceticon,

Imagine the constant thinking about gay and transsexual specific activies that’s leads somebody to the point of voting to make them illegal.

Regular people don’t constantly think about it, so they don’t actually care one way or the other.

No wonder that it’s extremelly common to discover that the very people who keep raging about homosexuallity were closet homosexuals.

Grow up, embrace whatever you trully are and move on: no need to punish others for your own sexual self-repressions.

el_bhm,

Lets see Lemmygrad.ml appology card.

uis, (edited )
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

https://treebrary.pone.social/cache/media_attachments/files/111/510/897/842/118/560/original/eb52d9a54b18764f.webp

How I spent summer. Essay.

In the morning we with my mom went to beach. There we’ve seen jellyfish(recognized as unwanted organization, included in the list of foreign agents).

Then it rained(recognized as unwanted organization, included in the list of foreign agents). After rain came rainbow(which is element of extremist movement symbolics).

Also mom showed me memorial in city center. Memorial is included in list of foreign agents, its activity in Russia is suspended by the court’s decision

recapitated,

The loftiest ruler is barely known among those below. Next comes a ruler people love and praise. After that, one they fear, And then one they despise.

How sincere will the Russians remain for this man?

lntl,

Russia bad

fosforus,

You got that right. Russia is not required to be bad, though. We’re all hoping they improve. Any day now.

ToastedPlanet,

Yes, Russia oppressing LGBTQ+ people is bad.

hakunawazo,

Just distinguish between the government’s decision and the people. I don’t know if I would demonstrate there at the moment if someone kept falling out of the window, so I don’t presume to judge. But the government has moved very far away from human rights.

iegod,

Russia seems to have a long history of just getting it wrong. There is something inherently russian about it, so it’s not just the government.

mechoman444,

With everything going on with Russia they still have time for this bullshit!

molochthagod,

That’s kinda the whole point of this bullshit. Russia’s entire history is “things go bad? find an enemy and attack them.” This distracts the populace and makes the ruler (at least theoretically) look “strong”. This is why “war” is the answer to almost any problem in Russia. For Nicholas II this didn’t work out though, when he attacked Japan hoping for a quick victory, but ended up losing and exacerbating problems at home, which then led to the collapse of Russia.

Aceticon,

It’s a core foundation of Fascism to define “us” and “them” groups, blame the “them” and if in power followup those words with actual actions against said “them”.

Sex being the thing which generates the most tension in peoples’ minds in present day society - we pretty much all want it and yet we’re taught that it’s somehow “impure” and interiorize all sorts of boundaries around it and judgements on people who don’t obbey said boundaries - it’s only natural that people who are a minority in practicing some sexual practices that the majority does not are chosen as “them”.

We might have the tech, but socially and psychologically most of humanity are barelly changed from cavemen days and we might have even gone backwards (there was a time when nakedness was far less “frowned upon”), so cross these two of the biggest disfunctions in the psyche of many - sex and tribalism - and you end up with this kind of shit.

kool_newt,

It’s a core foundation of Fascism to define “us” and “them” groups,

I’m pretty sure this is just a fundamental way to understand groups, any groups. How would a group exist without an “us” and a “them”?

sukhmel,

Well, when there’s only so many people in the group you know them and that’s enough. Even if one lives on an island with population of 20 and knows nothing about outside world, one would recognize those 20 as his group, I’d wager

Aceticon, (edited )

The error in that argument is oversimplification.

It’s not just the grouping people, it’s the how its done.

For starters, it only makes logical sense to group people on actions they actually commit or committed - say, “this person has repeatedly stollen things, hence he is a thief” - because it’s a judgement on their actions, while it makes no logical sense group them on something else and then judge them as a group for something unrelated - say, “this person was born with a certain skin color hence he is a thief” - because it’s quite literally prejudice (the judging somebody for acts they have not committed).

The second part is simplifying it into “us” and “them” - it’s quite literally mathematically impossible to, in any situation with more than 2 humans, have 2 or fewer generic classifications (worse, as people actually change how they act as their life experiences change them, so they would change classification). This is because there are so many different things of importance in which people can chose to act in different ways (and for many such important things there are even more choices than merelly 2), that any realistic grouping of humans on anything more generic than a single behaviour - such as thieving - would yield billions of groups (pretty much one per person) because there are just way too many combinations of preferred choices.

It’s not possible to have a genuine division of humans in a general sense into a mere 2, “us” and “them”, and the lie in such division is further compounded when action judgements are passed on all individuals of an entire group which was defined by any criteria other than having commited said actions.

And then to top all this up, they cast those 2 groups as adversarial, thus justifying violence by their group against the other group.

PS: By the way, it’s not just Fascists who do this kind of prejudiced grouping of people, but what’s more unique about that ideology is the tendency for the splitting to immediatelly or eventually end up with a mere 2 groups which are deemed in opposition to each other in everything that matters and were the Fascists are all in the group (“us”) that’s pre-judged as “good” and the others are in the group (“them”) prejudged “bad”.

You’ll see, for example, Liberals also doing the grouping of people on arbitrary non-action characteristics, complete with “good” and “bad” prejudgements based on group membership (though the words used are usually “victim” and “oppressor” rather than “good” and “bad”), but they’re usually divided into many groups (an ever growing list, even) and the group in which the Liberal individual is not necessarilly one of the groups deemed “good” (whilst the Fascists will always put themselves in the “good” group).

kool_newt,

The error in that argument is oversimplification.

It’s not just the grouping people, it’s the how its done.

Exactly

soshiny,

First they came for the >!socialists!< democrats, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a >!socialist!< democrats.

Then they came for the >!trade unionists!< journalist, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a >!trade unionist!< journalist.

Then they came for the >!Jews!< Gays, and I did not speak out— Because I was not >!a Jew!< gay.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

They already came for communists.

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Recent news

Rose,

Udaltsov is a communist only if you think that the Soviet Union was communist. The reason for his constant arrests was his opposition to Putin.

uis, (edited )
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

I originally wanted to post recent arrest of communists, but didn’t find it in first try. Anyway, no sane communist will support Putin.

EDIT: Interesting… I wanted to say that Putin arrests communists too.

echodot,

All very deep, except the Russians probably arrest or kill anyone who speaks out, so it’s not exactly as simple as that.

RedAggroBest,

And the Nazis didn’t?

echodot,

The Nazis didn’t kill their own. So no, not initially

NikkiDimes,

If you spoke out against the regime, you could easily be imprisoned or executed, blonde hair and blue-eyes or not.

rottingleaf,

The fuck is this bullshit?!.. It’s as if some American schoolboy of the dumber kind with a confederate flag on the wall thinking Wehrmacht was “honorable” and didn’t know shit wrote this.

Also have you read what the judge said on Remarque’s sister’s trial, after which she was executed?

Something like “your brother regrettably has evaded us, but you haven’t.” That was the only reason.

I think you should also read something about courts in Nazi Germany. There wasn’t even any pretense at justice.

Necronomicommunist,

Are you historically illiterate or a troll?

It’s often said “The first country the Nazis subjugated was Germany.”

Not even Nazis were safe from Nazis.

SkaveRat,

*not even Germans were safe from Nazis

ARxtwo, (edited )

You should really brush up on your history. It’s estimated that up to 77,000 Germans who were a part of the resistance were executed and an additional 800,000 were arrested. You’re right that Nazis didn’t kill other Nazis, they killed Germans who resisted Nazism.

archive.org/details/…/2up

rottingleaf, (edited )

Oh, come on, it was a lawless land ruled by violence. Everybody could find themselves before a firing squad (after a few days of relentless torture, of course) or just be beaten to death, party membership wasn’t a guarantee against this. That was pretty intentional. That was the Nazi idea of a proper society - absolute despotism, they were also huge fans of the Middle-Eastern examples of such.

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Also they to ban Golos movement first

TransSynthesist,
@TransSynthesist@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Well, I suppose that one way to get blocked, u/soot

oatscoop,

It’s one loser making a bunch of accounts and spamming several instances.

If anything this shows the need for better automated mod tools.

fosforus,

I don’t get it. Is this news article wrong? Who is u/soot?

oatscoop,

No, someone made a bunch of accounts and wrote a script to post comments with graphic shock images faster than humanly possible.

The mods finally removed them.

ThatFembyWho,

extremist organization

Of course, why did nobody ever think of targetting the President of Homosexual International?! Perhaps a drone strike? I bet he’s hiding in a school or hospital somewhere in Ukraine.

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Extremist movement, not organization. Organization needs to be registered as one, while extremist movement is from amendments to “extremism” laws, that were used to ban Golos movement first.

Aceticon,

It’s perfectly reasonable to blow up UN schools if one claims there are gay terrorist tunnels under them…

/s

kashara,

Why do you care about what happens in Russia, though?

JustZ,

Why did we care what was happening in Germany in the 1930’s?

kashara,

Now you have the answer why Russia must fight in Ukraine, and why it’ll win.

dragonflyteaparty,

Huh, I didn’t know that Ukraine was trying to take over Russia and that Russia was in danger of not existing anymore.

kashara,

You didn’t know - now you do.

crackajack,

Nazi is one of the plus in lgbtq+ I guess.

TheSanSabaSongbird,

Go home, you’re drunk and babbling.

andrenada, (edited )

Let’s allow Europe and US deal with their gays, lgbt, the Papa-gay, hermofrodites, lesbians, feminists, gay-lesbians, horses, half-men-half-women, lesbian-gays and other bitter, angry shit. Russia will deal with their men and women on its own.

T00l_shed,

Bitter angry shit? You talking about yourself there?

andrenada, (edited )

Bitter angry shit?

Bitter. Angry. Shit.

JustZ,

This is the dumbest take I’ve seen on anything in a while. Eat shit.

Cannacheques,

I eat salt and then I grow thorns, tubules and icicles hahaha

Big potato salad 😋

spiderkle,

… and once they have rounded up and sent every minority into mandatory service for the war effort, there will be nothing left of the arts, sciences and cultural diversity, that makes a society blossom. They are undoing themselves, they don’t need anybody’s help.

Perhapsjustsniffit,

History is destined to repeat itself…

molochthagod,

Russia has been doing and undoing itself the whole history. Meanwhile, who suffers? The minorities. You could compile a list of cultures they destroyed across Siberia, the Pontic Steppe and the Caucasus. And this process is still ongoing.

echodot,

Russia has had this problem for decades, even before the collapse of the Soviet Union this was a problem, who would want to live in communist Russia when you could live in a democracy in the west instead, and get paid for the privilege? Anyone with a brain left. After all, all the people smuggling through the Berlin wall was going in one direction.

But yeah their current actions are making it far worse.

Putin doesn’t care about the future of Russia though, he only cares about his legacy. The Ukrainian invasion was supposed to be the start of the second Soviet Union. The plan was to also invade places like Poland (of course that was a terrible plan that would have almost certainly resulted in the third world war but there you go). To fall at the first hurdle like this is particularly embarrassing and dangerous because it makes him look weak, and in Russia you do not want to look weak because if you do you end up dead eventually.

If Putin manages to die of old age I’ll be amazed

disconnectikacio,

Decades? Centuries! They are like these since centuries! And they convert the occuppied people to be and act like them too. For example here in hungary, a lot of people who lived and were young under soviet occupation, want to turn back to those times, so they vote on orbán’s fidesz, and his comrades, who building back the feudal-commie style dictatoric regime.

andrenada,

Let’s allow Europe and US deal with their gays, lgbt, hermofrodites, horses, half-men-half-women and other shit. Russia will deal with their men and women on its own.

Draedron,

Meanwhile “pro lgbtq” hexbears keep licking Putins boots

Hadriscus,

Yea it’s such a weird gymnastics move

Fraylor,

Gold medal in olympic mental gymnastics

echodot,

That’s because they’re all 12 years old and have no brain. When you talk to them it’s quite clear they don’t actually know what they’re talking about. My favourite thing to do is quote events and dates at them of things that that didn’t happen, and most of the time they don’t pick up on it.

0x2d,

when you argue they will just post the pig poop balls

echodot,

An obvious sign of an intellectual superior individual. I don’t think.

That sissy, lemme.ml isn’t exactly any better

0x2d,

i haven’t seen anything bad on this instance, and it doesn’t constantly defederate from random instances (unlike instances such as lemmy.world, a while back it tried to block lemmy.dbzer0.com)

avater,
@avater@lemmy.world avatar

Ah yeah, the daily reminder that Russia has indeed become the comical evil country as it was always portrayed in Tom Clancys books, if not worse…

Cannacheques,

Twin Clancy that’s an old name I haven’t heard in ages

avater,
@avater@lemmy.world avatar

Twin Clancy, that’s a name I never heard before 😅

Cannacheques,

Dude you have no idea, I’ve got so many doppelgangers lol

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