They have stated their attacks are in response to Israel’s aggression in Gaza and their goal is to disrupt shipping to Israel and impact the economies of countries who support Israel.
The Houthis are backed by Iran, and have been a target of Saudi-led bombings for a decade, since they attempted to overthrow the dictatorial government there.
Are people on Lemmy actually supporting the Houthis? You know they aren’t just attacking Israeli shipping, right? If I shoot some random person but say it’s to help the orphans that doesn’t make it right.
Yes, I’ve noticed it here and on Reddit. I’m like, you are supporting folks that think slavery is required by Islam and calling them freedom fighters? The hypocrisy is tangible.
Oh yes, the americans with their economically required prison slavery and mass incarceration rates are such a bastian of morality in this war by comparison.
I'm not defending either side here but if i had to choose, the side defending palestine is who I'd back.
It’s difficult to pin down their beliefs because of how often they change.
They ally with the US, then they make a slogan calling for death to the US.
They say Jewish people will live prosperously with them and their only issue is with Israel. Their slogan explicitly calls out Jews distinctly from Israel, and Al-Houthi said “Arab countries and all Islamic countries will not be safe from Jews except through their eradication and the elimination of their entity.”
They say Baha’i people are welcome. There are reports of discrimination against them.
They say women have equality and freedom and can hold office. Al Jazeera reports that women are harassed and restricted in speech.
There’s two possible conclusions we can draw. The more charitable is that it’s a very loose coalition with no centralizing authority. The less charitable is that they believe themselves to be ubermensch (as you’d put it) and adopt whatever position aids them at the time.
Either way? You really need to stop taking these things at face value. Awful people make good points. That doesn’t change that they’re awful. Among the Soviets and Nazis and Americans you’ll find that they correctly identified moral failings in each other’s societies, but not their own.
To put this another way – if someone goes on a mass shooting in a US school, and they say Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians, don’t make your first reaction to defend the mass shooter.
Edit: If I wanted to be downvoted and have what I think are good points go unaddressed, I’d go to Reddit. I at least expected Lemmy to tell me why my “good points” were actually mentally deficient.
I’m disappointed. If Lemmy no longer offers discussion with disagreement, I’m not sure that it’s all that meaningfully different from Reddit.
We’re talking about their actions at this very moment. Not them as an organization. I am saying that this action is justified, nobody here is supporting the Houthis as an organization.
If Kim Jong Un decided to block to Red Sea to support Palestinine instead of the Houthis it would be just as morally correct.
If America did it I would support it too.
It’s about getting water, food and medicine to little children who are getting their legs amputated without anesthetics as if it’s a SAW movie.
Their action may have a consequence you’re a fan of, but it doesn’t mean that’s their primary goal nor objective nor even purposeful. History is full of people who claim lofty ideals they happen to align quite well with profitability, and when you examine them, you find they’re remarkably inefficient about achieving their supposed “goal”.
Ask yourself, if you had all the resources they had at your disposal, would you be doing the same things if your goal was to help Palestinians?
They pretty much confirmed what I was thinking. His response to very fair questions was just bluster and deflection and obfuscation.
I’m a numbers guy. I want to know the facts. This guy has given none, in addition to several demonstrable lies. Every insurgency likes to claim all the people are with them, but that seems decidedly false here. Especially considering that Yemeni Jews feel unsafe with the Houthis, and their leader said through his fascicles: “Arab countries and all Islamic countries will not be safe from Jews except through their eradication and the elimination of their entity.”
A blockade without willingness to fire (even on civilian vessels) is toothless and therefore ineffective. I’m not sure if I’d call what they’re doing a blockade tho, and their justifications linking attacked ships to Israel are… strenuous at times
The second ship with bio gas supposedly only went to Italy, but later came out that after the stop in Italy it had a transport to israel planned.
I’m not going to to claim that every single ship was israeli. I have not looked into other vessel attacks since then. But at least the first big two that reached to news were in fact directly linked to israel despite initial claims that they weren’t.
Maybe they’re not only supporting Palestinians against israeli oppression but also the Ukranians against Russian Oppression. The unbeatable moral highground.
In all seriousness, no idea. If I were to guess they have a green list and someone forgot to put them on. See my newer comment
If its indistinguishable from random attacks to the victims and anyone else at sea the (internationally coordinated) response should be one appropriate to random attacks on sea vessels
Right after the international response appropriate to israel committing genocide of course. That obviously has far more priority for us western nations that care so much about human rights.
Those do not “put huge numbers of civilian lives at direct risk”?
But the Houthis making it so that undetectable chess-tournament cheating equipment from Alibaba arrives a month later is what actually crosses the line of “putting civilians at risk”.
you know what ‘curse to the Jews’ means right? Those Houthis are just another bunch of degenerated fucks who wants to eradicate all other religions and especially the Jews because their ‘god is great’…
I mean, if they are sourcing the missiles from outside the country, and they have a limitless number of people who can launch them, and they blend in with the populace, it’s hard to just bomb them.
I guess we’re heading towards an umpteenth Middle-Eastern occupation, maybe after the coming elections all over the West.
I know it’s not a novel idea, but maybe we should get rid of all imperialistic idiots, starting with Netanyahu, Putin and Xi.
I guess intentions matter. If for example Putin would put a division on a boat and put it on the shore of Palestine to help out against Israel, and they are honest in their intentions to leave after, then Israel and the US would still be the imperialistic aggressor in that particular case, and Russia would be the underdog to root for.
It also would be okay for the US to support Israel if they did it while credibly threatening to cut it off as soon as Israel starts genociding people.
BTW Biden is not on my list just because in there that’s bigger than him, he would definitely make the list, along with Trump, as well as eg. Elon “we coup whoever we want” Musk, and a few hundred people who make up the US oligarchy.
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