dumdum666,

It is good to show solidarity with Palestinians - it is not acceptable to cheer for Hamas on the other hand.

If you are able to differentiate between Hamas and the Palestinians and Israeli government and Israeli people your moral compass still somewhat works.

OurToothbrush, (edited )

…fineartamerica.com/…/massacre-of-settlers-by-nat…

You can support indigenous people without cheering on the raiders. /s

Anticolonialism isn’t just a word. Read Wretched of the Earth by Fanon.

It is a shame how many children were killed. It was very irresponsible for Israel to prop up a fundamentalist group to sideline the PLO, and then for settler parents to bring their children right next to the world’s largest open air concentration camp.

ComradeChairmanKGB,
@ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Seems to me that if people don’t want to get killed by Hamas, they could simply try not doing 80 years of genocide.

PowerCrazy,

What’s wrong with supporting Hamas? Are there any other groups fighting the zionists?

atetulo,

This is all one big exercise in independence.

I’m glad we’re seeing people actually have independent thought instead of just rushing to say whatever will make them fit in with their tribe.

zerfuffle,

That’s right, Gazans should peacefully protest for their rights.

More than 6,000 unarmed demonstrators were shot by military snipers, week after week at the protest sites by the separation fence.

Wait not like that

narp,

From the article:

The Commission found that Israeli Security Forces killed 183 of these protesters with live ammunition. Thirty-five of these fatalities were children, while three were clearly marked paramedics, and two were clearly marked journalists.

zerfuffle,

As we know, journalists from BBC and Reuters and Al Jazeera are clearly Hamas fronts.

zerfuffle,

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free

Omega_Haxors,

Protest for Palestine: They throw you in jail

Protest for Israel: giant thumbs up meme

Anyone not seeing the colonial world order as fascist at this point is well beyond redemption.

andrew_bidlaw,

Is a protest for palestinians a protest for Hamas? What Hamas did to free palestinians or make them safe from Israel’s agression?

Nalivai,

Is a protest for palestinians a protest for Hamas? No. No, it’s not.
Next question.

andrew_bidlaw,

Do you ‘get in a jail’ if you support palestinians excluding Hamas?

Nalivai,

Weird question. No, you don’t ‘get in a jail’ in this case. Also you don’t get in a jail.

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

They did the only thing they could.

What would you recommend they do?

andrew_bidlaw,

It’s not the only thing they could, as they could as well not doing it. What they wanted to achieve with it?

I’m not a palestinian, you aren’t too. How we’d judje if our takes worth anything?

Cethin,

It sucks what has happened, but it honestly looks to me like they may have achieved their goals. They provoked an overreaction from Israel which has cost them a ton of goodwill from the global community. It’s also made more people aware of just how violent Israel has been and how many innocent people they kill. If Palestine still exists at the end of this conflict, I would very much expect changes that make things generally better for Palestinians.

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

To do nothing is to die. That’s not a real choice.

As for what they achieved? Israel was well on its way to a fascist takeover with the rightist reforms, unprecedented protests were happening inside Israel against the government. Hamas just showed them that their government can not keep them safe and can not be trusted. That’s significant, and it might just save Israeli democracy if this leads to Netanyahu’s ousting.

Israel was also well on its way to normalizing relations with the entire Arab world, and now Hamas has provoked them into throwing that all out the window and instead inviting condemnation and isolation in the region.

Hamas has also opened up a new front against the American empire. Now instead of only needing to focus on Ukraine it has had its attention split to the 51st state and Greatest Ally. At the same time, there is no House Speaker. And the Republican frontrunner is a criminal.

Hamas is smart. They attacked at a very opportune moment.

andrew_bidlaw,

And you don’t believe Hamas’ heads are just opportiunistic assholes like Netanyahu? That they don’t want get money and power from it? Like Hamas don’t have gains and support from dying palestinian civs?

What Hamas did to palestinians with that attack?

ComradeChairmanKGB,
@ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml avatar

They live under apartheid, what money and power is there to be found? They are staring down the barrel of genocide and fighting for survival.

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

No, I don’t. I think Hamas is ready and willing to die to fight Israel. That’s not the behavior of people who only want money and power.

Hamas has done nothing to Palestinians. This is all Israel. Place blame where it belongs.

ComradeChairmanKGB,
@ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml avatar

It’s not the only thing they could, as they could as well not doing it.

The same statement could be applied to zionists. They could very well not do colonialism, apartheid, genocide, etc. No one is forcing them to take everything from Palestine and visit extraordinary horrors upon Palestinians.

yetAnotherUser,

Have we read the same article?

The Met said this week that general expressions of support for Palestinians, including flying the Palestinian flag, were not criminal offences but reiterated that supporting Hamas is a crime

You are equating Palestine with Hamas.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Palestine’s only defense is Hamas. I support Hamas against Israel.

andrew_bidlaw,

How do they defend civilians? How their recent strike helped civilians? Doesn’t heads of Hamas benefit of endless slaughter refuelling the hatred as their platform?

jscummy,

Those festivalgoers and babies on the other side of the wall were a serious threat to Palestinian civilians

TheAnonymouseJoker, (edited )
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

How does Hamas and Palestine benefit from sitting like a duck, ready for slaughter and the erasure of country itself, by Israelis colonising and displacing Palestinians from their own land since 1948? This is the first time ever that any Palestine resistance in history has managed to breach and score a win against Israeli Zionists. Hamas is a major reason why Palestine is surviving so far against Israeli colonisers.

Your western media will never tell you truth about the Arab world, because USA is Israel’s military and cyberwarfare backer, and USA controls most of world’s news media.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/6ff2d75a-aad3-43a7-a21a-9af4087183af.jpeg

andrew_bidlaw,

What win lol? Israelites are now bombing regular palestinians, having a free check to erase Hamas.

Hamas doesn’t lose anything in sacrificing these pesrinians to further it’s standing.

Hamas wins by hurting it’s people. That’s why they did that senseless attack. It keeps them relevant.

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

Hamas isn’t hurting its people. Israel is.

andrew_bidlaw,

What was a reason for their attack now/

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

Israel has been attacking Gaza for a very long time. Hamas fought back. Now Israel has gone mask of and is committing genocide.

andrew_bidlaw,

What was their targets? Was it effective? Weren’t they interested in prolonging a slaughter of palestinians?

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

The goal was to demonstrate that Israel’s government can not keep its people safe and to then use the hostages to further negotiations.

… their assumption that Israel would give a shit about hostages was clearly false, though.

Apollo,

This aged well

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

You mean the hospital Israel bombed?

Apollo,
queermunist, (edited )
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

>believes Israel and the US state department

>dehumanizes people they disagree with

You hate to see it. 😞

gamermanh,

Prolly referencing the article about France from yesterday

rauls4,

I feel for the Palestinians, but Hamas is to blame. They knew what the response would be, yet they decided to savagely attack Israel.

Omega_Haxors,

#1 rule of the internet: always discard everything before the “, but”

atetulo,

There is no Hamas without Israel’s oppression.

Szymon, (edited )

Both sides elect people that are OK with their people dying for their own government policies. One attacks to oppress an apparant enemy, the other attacks to free themselves from oppression. They are not the same, yet innocent people suffer and die because of both.

JBloodthorn,
JBloodthorn avatar

More than half of the people alive in Palestine were too young to vote in their last election.

livus,
livus avatar

@Szymon I agree with this apart from the "elect" part. Hamas last won an election in 2006, with less than half the vote.

Gaza hasn't held an election in over 17 years and the majority of its population are too young to have voted then.

quortez,
quortez avatar

There has not been an election by Palestine in Gaza for roughly 17 years. Hamas isn't exactly democratic.

rauls4,

Meanwhile all citizens just want to live their lives in peace.

It really is tragic and frustrating.

SheeEttin,

Yeah, but I don’t blame them. It was either that or let Israel increase oppression.

rauls4,

You think that practical obliteration of Gaza and hundreds of thousands of innocent dead is preferable to continuing attempts to long term solutions?

Make no mistake, there will be nothing left of Gaza after this.

The Palestinian cause had been increasingly gaining empathy, Hamas set the clock back decades and basically put the entire citizenship on the butcher block.

Suicide by cop at a national level.

gamermanh,

Lol, you actually think there are “continuing attempts at long term solutions”?

Other than the ethnic cleansing kind of “solution” on Israel’s part, that is

NoneOfUrBusiness,

You think that practical obliteration of Gaza and hundreds of thousands of innocent dead is preferable to continuing attempts to long term solutions?

Who's attempting long-term solutions? Because it's sure as hell not Israel and its far right government. No seriously the current situation of Palestine is specifically so that the Palestinian people have no representative who can call for a two-state solution.

Also given what we see from the West now, I don't see the empathy doing much.

rauls4,

Who is/was attempting a peaceful solution?

A few links:

csmonitor.com/…/13-Israeli-and-Palestinian-groups…

After Hamas’s brutal attack all voices of reason have been silenced.

All we can do now is seat back and watch the apocalypse unfurl.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

Who is/was attempting a peaceful solution?

Well, the Oslo accords were almost there until a Zionist assassinated the prime minister, who was replaced by Bibi and we all know how that went. The 2012 ceasefire was also going somewhere, but Israel didn't hold their end of the deal (along with being vehemently opposed to the newly formed unified Palestinian government and fighting it at every turn) so the whole thing fell through. An Israel ruled by the far-right, and especially by Bibi, can't and won't pursue peace.

Bibi actively created and maintained the current situation in which peace is impossible.

rauls4,

Prime ministers come and go. Many Israeli citizens fell empathy for Palestinians but a lot less do now.

Bibi barely won a majority of the votes, now the country will stand in solidarity behind him. Thanks Hamas.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

I don't think anyone is gonna stand in solidarity behind Mr. Security after this, but I could be wrong.

hotdaniel,

There is no longterm solution with Hamas. They demand the complete destruction of Israel and all Jews. The Jewish people don’t have to roll over and let themselves be destroyed, even if internet keyboard warriors demand it. They’ll do what they must to survive, no different than you or I.

gamermanh,

Lol, take this garbage opinion and fuck off

hotdaniel,

lemm.ee/post/11463523

“I agree there are many innocent Palestinians who don’t agree with this, but if you have a missile in your goddamn kitchen and you want to shoot it at me, am I allowed to defend myself? We have to defend ourselves, we have the full right to do so, he added.”

Keep simping for terrorists.

burntbutterbiscuits,

I get it. You support genocide.

gamermanh,

Keep showing you have no fuckin clue what the history of this area is

Keep simping for the ethnic cleansers, it’s a good look on idiots like you

Szymon, (edited )

When peaceful change is impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.

Israel politicians aren’t idiots and know this. They wanted their own people to die (and have been caught saying so, to paraphrase, “terrorism is a small price to pay for being a super power”) so that they could have an excuse to perform genocide, a final solution to the Palestine problem.

krolden,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

When you poke a caged dog for nearly a century and it bites your hand off, only a fool would act surprised.

rauls4,

Not only caged, but one that grew surrounded by constant existential threats while being outfitted with steel fangs. It’s not going to bite your hand. It’s going to rip your throat off and that of anyone nearby.

hotdaniel,

You destroy any threat to your survival and you’re justified in doing it. No different than you or I. Hamas was and is responsible for their actions. They chose to never have peace. They chose war.

burntbutterbiscuits,

I get it. You support genocide.

hotdaniel,

You make excuses for terrorists. Disgusting.

krolden,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

What part of my comment is making excuses for anything

hotdaniel,

You imply the actions of Hamas are caused by Israel caging and poking them. It’s excusatory. Hamas is responsible for their actions. They chose to murder babies. You know that. The more you ignore denouncing their actions, the more you support and sympathize with terrorists.

Pieresqi,

Based hamas

hotdaniel,

Based you don’t even bother to wear a mask anymore. Your pro-Palestine support is and has been nothing but anti-semitism and terrorist sympathization.

burntbutterbiscuits,

I get it. You support genocide.

Szymon,

Would you choose a slow guaranteed death through oppression or risk a possible quick death for a better life for all your family and friends?

I’m asking you. Not your opinion of a whole population. I’m asking you. Imagine yourself in that camp, being bombed daily. What do you choose to do to survive and thrive as a human?

rauls4,

There was no guaranteed death, things were very difficult and would have continued to be for a long time. At least there was hope.

Now there is a guaranteed death, thanks to Hamas.

“for a better life” in this case the leveling of the entire Gaza Strip and the obliteration of ANY hope of self governance?

Szymon,

Half the population of Gaza is 19 and under. Sounds like a guaranteed early death for me if few people are living to an old age.

Why again do they need to be caged up for generations?

hotdaniel,

Because letting them go is letting Hamas go free and they will inevitably carry out plans to destroy Israel and all Jews. You know this. Calls to free palistine are nothing but calls to see Israel destroyed.

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