@box464 yeah, I'm not saying abandon either lemmy or kbin, just stop promoting them to regular web users as a viable Reddit alternative, because it's simply not right now. Maybe in another 6 months to 2 years of development.
@thisismissem It is unfortunate timing as kbin only recently opened to the public (just a few months ago) and this was just too much growth, too soon. I hope that fediverse developers like yourself can continuing providing guidance and contributions rather than abandoning support altogether for the platform. Thanks for your review of the platforms!
@cragsand right, the motivation behind my post is to very concretely say that Lemmy and kbin are not to Reddit what Mastodon is to Twitter.
Seriously, there's basic user safety functionality missing, no real moderation tools (you can only access its limited tools via the [...] on each post, not from an admin dashboard.
We should NOT be suggesting reddit users come and try lemmy & kbin as a replacement for Reddit, that is very dangerous.
hanks for doing this @thisismissem -- looking forward to the fuler report. History unsurpriingly repeats itself: "Get ready for trolls, hate speech, harassment, spam, porn, and disinformation" and "Invest in moderation tools" were two of the tpics I covered in "Don't tell people "it's easy", and six more things Kbin, Lemmy, and the fediverse can learn from Mastodon" https://privacy.thenexus.today/kbin-lemmy-fediverse-learnings-from-mastodon/
@nicolas I'm gonna say: software engineers that use reddit & write php/javascript: contribute to Lemmy or kbin!
The average web user should probably stay well clear though, and we shouldn't be marketing these towards non-technical users at this time, as their lack of moderation features would make that unethical and irresponsible.
If you didn't know, on DuckDuckGo you can search for posts or magazines with site:kbin.social just like you would with Reddit. The same applies to any other Fediverse site like Kbin, Lemmy, Mastodon, etc.. I was really frustrated because it seems like Google was intentionally suppressing them....
Because it puts a considerable strain on Kbin’s servers, because there is a lot of content to crawl.
I suspect (hope, even) that if Kbin runs on beefier hardware some time in the future, crawling can be enabled. However, since Kbin is completely free and devoid of ads, we would probably need to start a donation drive to make that happen.
Kbin is a weird implementation. I think anything you post here is accessible by someone with a Mastodon account, but it wouldn’t show up for them the way we see it here. It would just look like random posts like in Twitter. I haven’t used kbin enough to even try, but theoretically you could subscribe to a Mastodon user and see their posts from here. Probably in the microblog tab.
Does anyone else have multiple accounts while looking for new reddit alts? So far I've got accounts on Lemmy, kbin, and Squabbles and I've been lurking on Raddle, Sqwok, and Tildes from the outside....
Yeah, I have a username on both Lemmy and Kbin, the exact same username - before I found out about how federation works. I've been using Mastodon for a while now.
Noticing some people levying that against people bringing up complaints about their experience here. It's not the spirit which I hope will prevail. Also, lazy cop out in a discussion.
That is were we as a community on lemmy and kbin need to do our part to report users that are bringing that kind of content. Most instances don't want that kind of content and flagging users will help clean that content up. So people will start to move to instances that will allow it and those can be de-federated. I wouldn't write the platform off as a whole because of a few bad actors, but with the massive influx of new users and the lack of mod tools its going to take awhile. Unfortunately the nature of the fediverse is that it'll be like a game of whack-a-mole for awhile.
So, what’s the general consensus on Lemmy? Is it a toxic project with questionable roots, or just one with some really bad PR? The app is not especially impressive to me, thus far, but I’m told it’s more advanced than Kbin, and I may not be configured properly.
If this is the way that the fediverse is supposed to work then it does matter which instance you make your account in, which is exactly the opposite of what was advertised about the fediverse. because there may be a niche community which I can't find through the kbin search but that exists on some lemmy or any other software instance on the fediverse.
Why isn't the searching for communities easier? Even on more established lemmy instances like beehaw they don't show communities from non-lemmy instances. Is there some major roadblock or just that nobody has developed a comprehensive search function yet?
I know lots of us have other favourite artists, and eagerly await their new releases, so I thought it might be cool to have a place to celebrate those too....
Is Federating Magazines/Communities/etc a possibility in the future?
(Quite new to this, so if this is a dumb question, please beat me up gently ;))
ie; Instance 1 and Instance 2 decide to be closely federated, and share common mod and server rules and expectations. /m/fediverse share content with each other between the instances. Instance 3 wants to join, in as well, but does not share mod and server rules, so is not allowed to join in (contribute mods to the magazine really) but are able to read and post normally to @fediverse or @fediverse etc etc. kind of a consortium of server owners collaborating more closely with like minded servers and cutting down on duplicated magazines.
Perhaps this is overly complicated, I just like the concept of a distributed, mirrored service with redundancy in the event of an issue (ie server owner decides to quit, data center has outages, malicious actors damaging infrastructure, etc. I guess something like usenet was like in the early internet?
While it would be nice to be able to amalgamate some communities, I think a lot of the issue stems from redditors jumping into a server and immediately trying to recreate all of their favorite subs before understanding federation and searching to see if similar subs exist elsewhere (or considering if there are enough users to justify the existence of their niche sub when all of the communities are still relatively small and their content might fit in general communities that would benefit from more users.)
This is especially exacerbated because Kbin had a huge surge in growth while federation wasn't working and so it's users were relatively isolated from the established communities.
I imagine over time people will mostly conglomerate to the more active boards across different instances.
Eager to learn if the mods of r/earthporn are planning to set up a new home base on #Lemmy or #kbin. I’m aware that @earthporn is a thing but it’s still got a ways before it hits critical mass. #RedditMigration
Can someone give me insight into how magazines we create here on kbin can be shared to other instances? It seems it kind of works, but when I look at some kbin magazines from other instances, sometimes they show up, sometimes they don't, and if they do it doesn't show there's any activity in it when there is.
Anyone else find it extremely annoying and downright unusable that the home page (when sorted to get HOT posts from ALL communities - probably other sort options too) automatically refreshes every few seconds and just shifts the contents downwards?...
How to turn off "Random Posts" and "Random Threads"
No, I don't want to see your vagina.
No, I don't want your Christian Parenting tips.
Other than using ad-blocker rules, is there any way to tell Kbin that I'm not interested in the random content it tries to offer when looking at my /sub?
people posting here are going out of their way to post -- and it feels like every thought has more weight or sanctity or meaning when it's being posted here, at the dawn of a new era and the fall of an old....
I noticed that too but I'm unsure of the technicalities.
At the moment I'm guessing that either comments just don't sync back or that what we see here is only a clone of this post from lemmyworld on here and we're commenting on the clone instead of the original post on their instance.
Those are only wild guesses though since I'm not too familiar with how kbin works but that would be why I personally think this could be.
Anyways the devs are/will be probably working on this too since some other threads have adressed problems with commenting to other instances and or replying to comments of this instance.
however, a larger influx of users from elsewhere (such as what happened with reddit) can potentially change culture. but I think things are still early enough that kbinauts can decide how we want the culture to be here. and I think the consensus seems to be: neutrality, civility, polite discourse, and trying to achieve mutual understandings. I'd say we're doing a good job in that regard :)
That's my only concern here, that's leaving me on the fence. Beehaw defederating kbin would leave me neutral/annoyed at best. Other places will fill the void they leave or we'll do it ourselves out of basic necessity.
But while I do agree trolls from lemmy are more likely to stay there (they already got used to jerboa, etc.,) all they'd be looking for is ease of access. If most lemmy instances start making access harder to combat their own issues, they'll look for somewhere that doesn't.
That doesn't have to be here, but they don't particularly care whether it is, and the fact we do federate with everyone would be seen as a major plus: access to all the worst parts while still retaining the ability to troll everyone else.
It's not here yet and we can build and enforce the culture that we currently have, but it strikes me as likely a when more than an if. And once they do think of us, that kind of culture...doesn't necessarily spread like chickenpox, but it corrodes things.
A matter of years ago, people on reddit were personable and they continually had to live in an atmosphere with more and more shallow assholes, so they adapted to an asshole role.
That Ernest is the only one really suited to address this atm does make me uneasy. He's already swamped enough
Yup. I've had some interactions with him already and I read his apology post. Judging by how kbin is, the about pages, and his apology post, I have a feeling he's "one of us" in the sense of being a tech-first, "free speech but no legal issues please", and transparent admin. Everything I've seen from the guy makes me think kbin is in good hands.
His apology post is a bit silly because IMO there's really nothing wrong (forking and reusing code is remarkably normal in software dev) but it seems the original code devs were upset about lack of credit/licensing? and so he posted transparently and is working to make things right. at least that's my understanding (I didn't dig into the drama there).
I have a feeling this "openness" is part of the ethos of ernest, as well as kbin as a whole. So I think the vibe we're all getting here is accurate: essentially the classic ethos of Aaron Swartz (co-founder of reddit, creator of markdown and rss), or similar to Internet Archive's ethos (tech-first, info, sharing knowledge).
In this sense I have a feeling that:
kbin will try to avoid closed signups as much as possible and keep things open (unless there's a severe problem)
kbin will try to federate as much as possible with every instance
kbin will encourage platform neutrality allowing various ideas, discourse, beliefs, and views to be posted
kbin will try to stay on the legal side of things, removing illegal content if/when the need arises.
I guess we'll see when he does get around to writing the ethos/manifesto post. But yes, the guy is clearly overworked and overwhelmed right now, so there's definitely no rush. Dude's doing a fantastic job so far.
Most people access the Fediverse through one of the large instances: lemmy.world, kbin, or beehaw. New or small instances of Lemmy have no content by default, and can most easily get content by linking to larger Lemmy instances. This is done manually one "Community" at a time (I spent 15 minutes doing this yesterday). Meanwhile,...
From what I understand, and someone correct me if I’m wrong, you don’t need multiple accounts (unless one instance has blacklisted another). You can subscribe to a community on a different instance and be able to comment and post without creating an account on the second instance.
For example, on kbin’s search page you can search for programming@programming.dev and subscribe. programming.dev is a completely separate instance running Lemmy with its own communities. Then you can see content from there on your subscribed page.
I agree. I have both lemmy and kbin accounts, and so far I think the new user experience on kbin is just a little bit easier. But I'll keep my eye on lemmy in the meantime. You're right, it will be very interesting to see how this thing develops.
Just found out that DuckDuckGo can be used to search Fediverse sites easily.
If you didn't know, on DuckDuckGo you can search for posts or magazines with site:kbin.social just like you would with Reddit. The same applies to any other Fediverse site like Kbin, Lemmy, Mastodon, etc.. I was really frustrated because it seems like Google was intentionally suppressing them....
Reddit CEO Steve Huffman: Reddit “was never designed to support third-party apps” (www.theverge.com)
Thousands of subreddits are still dark.
Multiple reddit alternatives
Does anyone else have multiple accounts while looking for new reddit alts? So far I've got accounts on Lemmy, kbin, and Squabbles and I've been lurking on Raddle, Sqwok, and Tildes from the outside....
Remember that the button at the top of the sidebar expands the options to disable federation.
I hope that "Go back to Reddit" doesn't become a recurring jab used against others in the fediverse
Noticing some people levying that against people bringing up complaints about their experience here. It's not the spirit which I hope will prevail. Also, lazy cop out in a discussion.
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New Music - Everything except Bangtan!
I know lots of us have other favourite artists, and eagerly await their new releases, so I thought it might be cool to have a place to celebrate those too....
Home Page automatically floods with posts every few seconds, shifting content downwards
Anyone else find it extremely annoying and downright unusable that the home page (when sorted to get HOT posts from ALL communities - probably other sort options too) automatically refreshes every few seconds and just shifts the contents downwards?...
What is your guys' experience with Lemmy and Kbin interaction
This post comes from Lemmy, so at least we know that part works lmao....
I love how thoughtful everything feels on lemmy
people posting here are going out of their way to post -- and it feels like every thought has more weight or sanctity or meaning when it's being posted here, at the dawn of a new era and the fall of an old....
OC Potentially unpopular opinion: It may be time to close registrations (temporarily).
Hey kbinMeta....
The Lemmy User Experience is Better When Centralized into Fewer Instances
Most people access the Fediverse through one of the large instances: lemmy.world, kbin, or beehaw. New or small instances of Lemmy have no content by default, and can most easily get content by linking to larger Lemmy instances. This is done manually one "Community" at a time (I spent 15 minutes doing this yesterday). Meanwhile,...