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buckenmuck,

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Defederation, Threads and You

A lot of us are pretty new to the fediverse and we've arrived just in time to grapple with what is easily the biggest federation/defederation controversy ever to hit it. I've put this thread together to hopefully help communicate some of the more complex ideas that we're trying to get our heads around....

Can you please ELI5 tmux?

I am fairly familiar with Linux, I’ve been using different distros for some years now and have done some config editing here and there. I am also a web developer and use the terminal quite a lot and so I always stumble on people’s recommendation to use tmux and how good it is, but I never really understood what it does and,...

nous,

You can also split windows to have multiple terminals side by side, or above below each other. Many use it locally as a tileing window manager when their main terminal or window manager does not support tiling.

adj,

I actually get a lot of use out of it locally. I usually have multiple sessions for different concerns and prefix + s lets me switch between them quickly using vi keybindings. I can even do prefix + w to switch to a specific window in a different session.

I don’t use vscode much lately, but when I did it was also useful sometimes to have the same window in my terminal client on one desktop and in vscode’s terminal on another when switching back and forth a lot to see a browser or database client or whatever. Just having the freedom to move the session around to different applications is nice.

IHeartBadCode,
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Issue 1895 opened and patch purposed for the core issue. The markdown editor does no escaping input on custom emojis. This is likely why users on app were seeing text and not getting the redirect.

IHeartBadCode,
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Not just sidebar or comments, but anywhere markdown is used. The issue is the markdown editor. This is the current proposed fix.

crossmr,

First day?

We've already had threads in kbinmeta about a guy running an account ring to upvote his stuff, and we've already seen numerous rep farmers here.

FrostBolt,
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It's ripe for exploitation, too. The tooling isn't mature yet, so malicious actors are having a field day

OC The fediverse is a privacy nightmare (blog.bloonface.com)

ActivityPub, the protocol that powers the fediverse (including Mastodon – same caveats as the first two times, will be used interchangeably, deal with it) is not private. It is not even semi-private. It is a completely public medium and absolutely nothing posted on it, including direct messages, can be seen as even remotely...

firebat, (edited )
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Politicizing the topic through the means of tribalism is certainly an objective of interests against the fediverse so undoubtedly we will see more of that happening as unfortunate as that is. There are absolutely parties interested in pushing manufactured division and creating "us vs them" camps. I certainly hope that most users steer away from the quite frankly silly discussions of why one is better than the other. At the end of the day it should simply be a personal choice based on perhaps aesthetics or some other set of minuscule factors rather than politics. In regards to kbin and it's currently limited functionality: many of today's large platforms began in a very similar fashion. I personally enjoy the quirkiness of kbin and my proverbial hat is off to Ernest for the effort he has put into this.

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For me:

  1. Privacy reasons. When a comment is "deleted" on Lemmy, the comment is actually only hidden to all except instance administrators. The comment remains on the post and continues to display the poster's username. kbin is also not a beacon of privacy, but it at least removes deleted comments from threads. This is also why I try to interact more on kbin magazines than Lemmy communities.

  2. kbin has a sweet community search tool that not only searches kbin magazines, but also Lemmy communities and even Mastodon groups. This means you can easily find communities all across the for any of your interests.

  3. kbin has a much nicer/more modern UI. It's got some quirks, but it's easier to read and navigate than Lemmy by default.

  4. Customization options! Lemmy has themes, which is cool, but kbin has themes and lots of fun toggles to change your experience.

  5. Last but certainly not least, Lemmy devs have a pretty shit stance on human rights. (See here: https://mstdn.social/@feditips/106835057054633379). There are communities like , which are super friendly and non-problematic instances separate from the Lemmy devs, but it's worth noting that instances like Lemmy's flagship instance and Lemmygrad are run by folks with some grossly misguided views.

NotAPenguin,

Lemmy is developed by tankies who deny and censor talk about human rights violations.

https://kbin.social/m/lemmyworld@lemmy.world/t/47012/-/comment/196579

vrwarp,

There is this post by fedi.tips that explicitly warns against using Lemmy because of developer concerns: https://mstdn.social/@feditips/110476830253102884

NotAPenguin,

More info on Lemmy devs being tankies who deny human rights violations: https://kbin.social/m/lemmyworld@lemmy.world/t/47012/-/comment/196579

JerkyIsSuperior,

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I really don't trust the journalistic integrity of sites that can't be arsed to comply with GDPR guidelines.

themadcodger,
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  1. You have the right idea. A common misconception about the fediverse is "I have a Reddit account, so I should be able to log into everywhere with that." It's more the opposite. Your login only works on the instance you signed up on. But that same account can talk to other Reddits, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, etc. so you don't really need more than one account. Though I do have a kbin, Calckey (Twitter) and Pixelfed (IG) account.

One other thing about the fediverse is that new instances don't magically know all the other instances out there. Someone has to either specifically search for something from the instance or boost it from a different instance. Basically someone needs to be the first person to start the interaction.

And with the fediverse, bad actors get blocked or defederated at the server level. That means they have no way of interacting with you. It they're truly bad, and they do and have existed for a while in some form or another, they do eventually become an island no one will interact with besides other terrible people. So when you join an instance check their rules and make an informed decision.

  1. Upvotes and downvotes are meaningless beyond telling the author good job or fuck you. There's not much of an algorithm in the fediverse; you are the algorithm. Boosts are where that comes in. They bump the post to the top of Active and add points towards Hot. If you go to Mastodon or Calckey (Twitter) you'll see favorite and boost. Upvotes map to favorites and boost is the same. A common theme around the fediverse is to use favorite/upvotes liberally since they don't mean anything and we all like being acknowledged. Use boosts to mean "I think people need to see this"

  2. There's not a save yet, but anything you boost you can find listed in your profile. It's a workaround for the time being.

  3. You've seen by now one is in the works. In the meantime I'm using the mobile web page as a PWA and it works pretty well.

  4. Tags are one place that kbin has an advantage over Lemmy. They don't do much here, but it's an important way of finding things in Mastodon/Calckey. When you create a 'magazine' whatever tags you put there, they'll be pulled into the microblogging section of your magazine. That makes it easy for you to interact with people in the fediverse without leaving kbin.

I haven't figured out badges yet, but I also forget to look.

  1. Be excellent to each other. Seriously though, this is a new world for us, let's shape it into something we can so be proud of.

Also, this whole thing is being done by a guy by himself. There will be growing pains like there were when Twitter first started and when Digg migrated to Reddit. Be patient, he's doing a lot of great things with limited resources. But this is open source, so if you have the capabilities, you can always lend a hand.

Hope that solves some confusion.

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