Court costs for appeals should be based on the net worth of the appealing entity. Trump’s entire strategy for business, politics and personal relationships for his entire life has been “my daddy left me a pile of money, so I can afford to sue you until the end of time, or you can just cut your losses and walk away now”.
Because going all the way takes us back to caveman society.
No system is perfect, and no system is equal, and most importantly, people in a system will adapt to take advantage of the system. That’s why it’s useless to go “all the way”, the system is there to keep us from just clubbing each other over the head whenever we feel wronged. It’s much better that we have a dynamic and living system that can respond to loopholes and attempts to thwart it. Incremental change is the way the system should react.
It is a challenging question though. How do you afford the “little man” their right to appeal rulings, without giving the “big man” unlimited leeway to appeal and delay justice?
Oh, I must be a fascist because I think that going all the way back means going to a time before organized society and a structured code of law? Is that really where your mind jumps to when someone disagrees with you? Oh, this person must be a fucking fascist because they think differently than I!
Ad-hominems aside. How far back is “far back” enough for you that we could build a more just and equitable system? We talking Bill of Rights? Magna Carta? 10 commandments?
What else am I supposed to do when people regurgite fascist narratives?
I have yet to see a fascist argue that every justice system has inherent inequality, and that the only way to fix it is to have a dynamic and living system than can respond to the changes in society around it. I don’t think that is a fascist view. Fascist by definition put all authority in an immutable entity that rules with an iron fist with the sole purpose of benefiting one particular group of people.
You might consider reading up on it a bit before you go start spreading it over everything that doesn’t agree with your somehow very narrow yet ephemeral definition of a just society. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
Regardless, any talk at this point is unproductive unless you are willing to specify what in your mind, was the most recent equitable justice system in human history. You won’t though, because you haven’t thought about it that much, which is why you were offended by my caveman assertion.
Wow, you put a lot of time and effort in to useless drivel.
inherent inequality,
As dictated by whom? You?
A system does not need someone to dictate inequality, there are plenty of naturally existing system that produce inequal results. I don’t have to dictate shit to notice an inequitable system.
I don’t think that is a fascist view.
You think that endorsing the violence through which the many is subjugated for the safety and security of the few is not fascist?
Textbook strawman there. At no point have I argued that a justice system should subjugate the many for the benefit of the few.
Fascist by definition
Fascism doesn’t have a definition, liberal. It isn’t - and has never been - a consistent ideology that enables definition.
This may be news to you, but words have meaning, otherwise you can peanut butter your knuckle wolfsbane.
Am I to assume that your understanding of fascism is as flawed, naive and downright cartoonish as the one your fellow liberals on here ceaselessly demonstrate? Aaaaand…
Please, source your definiton for Fascism. I cited an established repository of knowledge, so far your only basis for the meaning of the word exists in the vapor between your ears.
Regardless, any talk at this point is unproductive
What is the point of talking alternatives with those who has a vested interest in maintaining the violence of the status quo?
This is a reiteration of an already refuted strawman, and supporting evidence for my assertion on the productivity of the “dialogue”.
which is why you were offended by my caveman assertion.
Is that what offended me? It had nothing to do with your appeal to right-wing ahistoricity?
Didn’t you just accuse me of being liberal twice in the same fucking post?
Now, if you have any intention to seriously debate about justice system reform, please espouse your ideas on the last equitable social code that any segment of humanity has operated under in history. Otherwise, you’ll have written a lot of pointless drivel, again, without actually adding anything to the conversation.
Go ahead, cite a history or source or example other than your own made up bullshit that backs up your claim that fascism is an undefinable ideology. You do understand that your claim is literally an oxymoron?
While you’re at it, find a political spectrum chart that puts liberal in the right wing. I checked about a dozen from different sources, and the closest I could find was a chart that set it dead center.
You still haven’t said what time in society you would go back to as a starting point for your equitable justice system. You were however offended that I said the last time we had a truly equitable existence was before society at large appeared. A reasonable person can conclude from this that…
You have a time period in mind, but you don’t want to state it because you know that I’ll point out the holes in their justice system.
Or…
You haven’t really thought about it, and you’ve made (4, I think?) long-winded posts dodging a simple point rather than admit that you can’t think of such a time or society.
Address the point, or tacitly admit you have no intent to debate in good faith and kindly fuck off.
Ah, so you’ve chosent the tacit admission that your argument is bullshit, you have’t actually thought about what you reacted to, and you’d like to kindly fuck off, but you just lack the self control to behave like an adult in conversations.
Also, classic gish gallop. One, or maybe 2 addressable point at a time please.
defend your ideology, and defend your ideology’s proximity to fascism.
Let me open with this. I didn’t claim to be a liberal, that is a label that you applied to me. I don’t think it’s an unfair assertion, but at the same time, I am not constrained to the ideological boundaries of that label.
Liberal, (at least where I’m from) means that you interpret the rules of society with some leeway. Language in laws or rules, no matter how specific, cannot encompass edge-case scenarios, so some human intuition and adjustment of a law or rule is required in order to for it to function with it’s intended purpose. Briefly put, Liberals in my country beleive that laws should fit to society, rather than the opposing conservative construction, that society should be fit to the law.
Since you refuse to accept a definiton for fascism, and on multiple occasions, declaring that it is undefinable, it makes it a useless term to compare to. You might as well be asking me to compare liberal ideology to CPU architecture or the concept of cottage industry. If you won’t accept a definiton for fascism, and are afraid to provide you own, then it is logically impossible for someone to use it as a comparative.
Now, I have addressed your silly roundabout 3rd grade logic. Please, with some decorum, address your point, that there is/was a time in human society post-cave-dwelling, where the social/justice system was fair and equitable. In case you forgot, that is the point that started you on this useless, indefensible and idiotic tirade. Or you can tacitly admit you don’t have a point, and you can kindly fuck off.
Oh, I never said I’d refuse a definition of fascism
No no, you’re faaaaaar tooooo smaaaaart to commit to an actual definition, or even general framework of what fascism is. Despite this, you still expect other people to defend against your internally checked, rapidly shifting goalpost of what qualifies as “fascism”. Put your money where your mouth is, you trollish coward, define, even in loose terms, what fascism is, so that we may actually discuss it. If you can’t do that, then you’re not actually making any points here, you’re just swimming circles in a pool of your own bullshit.
Because going all the way takes us back to caveman society.
My assertion here is that there has not been a perfect, equitable society in human history. This is why I’d rather work to fix the society we have, than throw out the everything and live without society, yah know, because I like the things society brings, like running water, electricity, flushing toilets, refrigeration, videogames… You’d get the idea of your head wasn’t up your ass. The evidence I’ll provide for this claim, is that there has not been a completely just society in human history. If you’d like to refute this claim, you can simply name one. But you can’t, because you are wrong, so you won’t, and instead you’ll dilly-dally and dance around while hurling labels that you don’t understand at people while implicitly arguing that words don’t have a real meaning.
Oh… now we’re no longer talking about “definitions,” are we? We have now shifted to “general frameworks?”
Yes, because you have refused in any way to communicate a meaning of the word. That’s on you, not me. Literally your doing, and it’s the core premise of 90% of your statements, but you can’t even tell us what means.
Kindly fuck off. You can’t even address the core component of our original discussion. I’m throwing the final gauntlet here. You name a time, place, or system of government that was fair and equitable in the last 8000 years, and I’ll write an apology to you, admit you are far superior, and delete everything except that statement from my account . If you can’t do that, then don’t even bother fucking replying. I’m just going to copy-paste a reply calling you a moron and pointing out that you have failed again to rise to the most basic level of honest discourse.
You are a moron and a coward. You won’t even try to defend your statements. The only way you know to react to conflict is to hurl meritless accusation of fascism. By your own admission, you cannot describe what fascism actually is. You can fuck off anytime.
Today, a bunch of people on my Mastodon feed are making declarations about somebody apparently flying a flag upside down, and this apparently has something to do with the New York Times being terrible....
The real irony is that the 2nd amendment is ineffective against a tyrannical government, and things that are effective (making bombs, molotovs, weaponized consumer drones) are pretty explicitly banned.
"The House was in session at the Capitol on Thursday, but thanks to the latest procession of Republicans reporting for duty in front of a Manhattan criminal courthouse to show support for former President Donald J. Trump at his trial, the party risked ceding its control of the floor,” the New York Times reports....
Yeah. Just look at Bob Menendez. All the leftwing media is repeating his talking points, refusing to show/validate statements from the prosecutors, and outright calling the investigation a Republican witch hunt. Meanwhile, Democratic politicians are throwing themselves at his feet, talking about how far America has fallen, that a congressman can no longer line his jacket with money and hide gold bars in his house. I’m sure Biden is going to pardon the guy.
Basic blender went bad (motor ran but spindle wasn’t rotating). I wanted to disassemble to see if it could be repaired. Three of the four screws were Phillips head. I had to cut the casing open in order to discover why I couldn’t unscrew the fourth. It was a slotted spanner.
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Trump flattened for talking about executing Biden before gun owners (www.rawstory.com)
‘Scary’: public-school textbooks the latest target as US book bans intensify (www.theguardian.com)
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Why are people talking about flying a flag upside-down?
Today, a bunch of people on my Mastodon feed are making declarations about somebody apparently flying a flag upside down, and this apparently has something to do with the New York Times being terrible....
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Republicans Flock to Trump’s Trial, Risking Control of the House Floor (www.nytimes.com)
"The House was in session at the Capitol on Thursday, but thanks to the latest procession of Republicans reporting for duty in front of a Manhattan criminal courthouse to show support for former President Donald J. Trump at his trial, the party risked ceding its control of the floor,” the New York Times reports....
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Basic blender went bad (motor ran but spindle wasn’t rotating). I wanted to disassemble to see if it could be repaired. Three of the four screws were Phillips head. I had to cut the casing open in order to discover why I couldn’t unscrew the fourth. It was a slotted spanner.