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Basically a deer with a human face. Despite probably being some sort of magical nature spirit, his interests are primarily in technology and politics and science fiction.

Spent many years on Reddit and then some time on kbin.social.

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Wait... while true that that sounds like not hallucination then, what does that have to do with this discussion?

Because that's exactly what happened here. When someone Googles "how can I make my cheese stick to my pizza better?" Google does a web search that comes up with various relevant pages. One of the pages has some information in it that includes the suggestion to use glue in your pizza sauce. The Google Overview AI is then handed the text of that page and told "write a short summary of this information." And the Overview AI does so, accurately and without hallucination.

"Hallucination" is a technical term in LLM parliance. It means something specific, and the thing that's happening here does not fit that definition. So the fact that my socks example is not a hallucination is exactly my point. This is the same thing that's happening with Google Overview, which is also not a hallucination.

Reminder: The DMV uses photos for facial recognition

This is half a decade old news, but I only found this out myself after it accidentally came up in conversation at the DMV. The worker would not have informed me if it hadn’t come into conversation. Every DMV photo in the United States is being used for AI facial recognition, and nobody has talked about it for years. This is...

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Only those who don't care about privacy and use Windows.

So most people, then.

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I think it's likely a reference to this video.

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And let's not pretend that the US isn't a two-party system.

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Your choices are Trump or Biden.

ChatGPT Answers Programming Questions Incorrectly 52% of the Time: Study (gizmodo.com)

The research from Purdue University, first spotted by news outlet Futurism, was presented earlier this month at the Computer-Human Interaction Conference in Hawaii and looked at 517 programming questions on Stack Overflow that were then fed to ChatGPT....

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No, they're useful because they produce useful machine code.

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It's useful because it does the stuff we want it to do.

You're focusing on a very high level philosophical meaning of "usefulness." I'm focusing on what actually does what I need it to do.

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One of the common arguments I hear against technological advancement is "but what if some sociopath brews up a pandemic virus in their garage!"

The FDA is monitoring the corporations that are working on this sort of thing. As is mentioned in the title of this thread.

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Maybe this indicates that the FDA's investigations have shown that Neuralink isn't quite as awful at this as random internet commentators believe.

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You're talking like we're gonna be building a Dyson sphere (or swarm) in the next 20 years?

Hardly. We have plenty of time for that, there's no rush.

Or colonize outer planets? It's science fiction...at least for next few 100 years.

Again, a few hundred years is nothing. The sun won't become problematic for a few hundred million years.

We can't rely on a deus ex machina save.

Things like Dyson swarms and star lifting are not "deus ex machina", they're scientifically rigorous proposals.

if we aren't strong enough for that, I don't think we're getting anywhere near K-II.

Getting to K-II means not needing the planet we evolved to live on.

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All industrial users pay lower, because they're able to apply economies of scale and locate themselves in places with lower power costs. Some of them are big enough that the utilities will build power lines and plants specifically to make electricity cheaper. It's not just a matter of "oh, they're rich, so we'll charge them less."

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No significant blockchains use GPUs any more. As for AI training, that produces AIs. It's not wasteful.

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I use AIs for a variety of productive purposes. You may not, and that's fine, but that's just you. You can't dismiss anything that you personally don't have a use for as "wasteful."

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Like what's the problem being solved here?

Training AIs.

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Ah yes, the wrong kind of technology.

If it's a "hype cycle" I guess it'll be going away aaaaaany day now.

FaceDeer,
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Ah, some interesting technology news. Let's read about what new developments are being made-

Oh, wait, Elon Musk is involved. I hate technology! Emerald mines and cave rescue submarines!

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Okay, so? NFTs aren't AI, and they don't use proof-of-work any more for that matter.

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I wasn't. I pointed out that no significant blockchains used GPUs (especially not Ethereum, the main NFT-supporting blockchain, which has transitioned to proof-of-stake instead of proof-of-work). That puts them outside the question of "wastefulness" altogether, and irrelevant to the subject at hand.

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I have no idea what point you're trying to make here. The comment I responded to said:

We really need to tax energy used by GPU-burning projects differently. AI training, blockchain, whatever. Such a wasteful endeavour.

And I pointed out that blockchain doesn't use GPUs any more. NFTs weren't even mentioned specifically. Then the thread went further into discussing AI specifically, not even blockchain at that point, and you jumped in to say "people still use nfts". It was almost a non-sequitur.

I'm not saying anything about NFTs. You don't need to jump in and "defend" them.

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But NFTs aren't wasteful. They're run on a proof-of-stake blockchain, no big computing power is used to back them. Your point about NFTs is false, I didn't mention NFTs in the first place, I don't see the relevance of any of this.

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Oh no, they accommodated our desires and removed the requirement that we hated. The bastards.

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The fact that it's happened before doesn't make it a good thing, and doesn't make it something that shouldn't be opposed.

Fortunately Reddit is well-archived so LLMs can still be trained off of it, regardless of what Reddit or its users try to do to the data now, but it's still a negative thing that doesn't have to happen.

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"It's ruined and that's a bad thing, so let's ruin it more. Including the older stuff that wasn't as badly ruined."

This is a very childish approach to life, IMO. If you don't like Reddit any more then just move on and leave it be for those who do still like it.

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They licensed Reddit to do what they want with it by agreeing to Reddit's ToS.

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Reddit already has your comments. So does everyone else who might want to train an LLM, for that matter, there are archive dumps that anyone can torrent and those aren't updated "live" every time you vandalize your old comments. The only people that are inconvenienced by replacing your comments with gibberish are humans that may find that thread later on looking for information.

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The ones I found most amusing were the "I was hoping this was for real but it's just a gag product" ones. If you really believe this stuff works, wouldn't a "gag product" still work just as well?

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