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theplaguedoc, to random

Just listened to John Cage's 4'33".

Perfect.

No notes.

Thebratdragon,
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@theplaguedoc as a celebrated composer at the time on hearing it said, I look forwards to his longer works.

alanferrier, to random
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Fixed that for you, New Statesman.

Fun fact: England is the only country in the world to have fully privatised its water and sewerage systems.

Via the Financial Times: "Scotland—which has its own state-owned water company—massively outperformed its neighbours with water standards similar to much of Scandinavia."

Thebratdragon,
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@Wen @MadeyeTheCarnaptious @alanferrier just let the investors and shareholders wear the loss, that is what capital8sm is about right?

Thebratdragon,
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@Wen @MadeyeTheCarnaptious @alanferrier it is a private business owned by private investors and private shareholders, so its rescue has to come from the private sector, or let it go bankrupt.

Thebratdragon,
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@Wen @JimmyB @MadeyeTheCarnaptious @alanferrier they can sue the shell company left behind and its board of directors and shareholders. Or those lenders can take the hit.

NO TAXPAYER bail out, they knew what they were buying into.

Thebratdragon,
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@JimmyB @Wen @MadeyeTheCarnaptious @alanferrier Directors are liable for losses by the company.

And those poor helpless pension funds that have been extracting inflated dividends for years, without caring how they were obtained get a reality check on how capitalism actually works.

There can be no Nationalising the debts of companies that privatised their profits.

Thebratdragon,
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@JimmyB @Wen @MadeyeTheCarnaptious @alanferrier so reward pension funds for chasing profit without care for the people whose money they are playing with. The fund should be held liable

Thebratdragon,
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@Wen @JimmyB @MadeyeTheCarnaptious @alanferrier

no, a deliberate plan, the investors bet that the gov would bail them out if the company failed, so their was no risk only reward.

Privatised profits, nationalised losses.

The tory/capitalist way.

Thebratdragon,
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@JimmyB @Wen @MadeyeTheCarnaptious @alanferrier how?

those innocent 'pensions' were invested with open eyes by the pension holders. you never hear them scream when their pension goes up from a fund doing well, but oh boy the screams from it going down.

Pension funds are a ponzi scheme.

Thebratdragon,
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@JimmyB @Wen @MadeyeTheCarnaptious @alanferrier yes they are, they said to a bloke in a suit, here is my money, you increase it and cream off some for yourself.

Thebratdragon,
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@JimmyB @Wen @MadeyeTheCarnaptious @alanferrier And we are back to privatising pensions, so that the state pension can be kept lower, and more money can run through the city.

Most people do not know what their pensions invest in, because they devolved investing it as easier. But pension funds must bear the risks as well as the rewards.

Sorry that is a harsh truth.

Thebratdragon,
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@JimmyB @Wen @MadeyeTheCarnaptious @alanferrier like the famed Daily Mirror pension scheme that Robert Maxwell liked so much.

Thebratdragon,
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@JimmyB @Wen @MadeyeTheCarnaptious @alanferrier

which is what successive UK govs have been elected to follow.

Me I am a socialist, I object to invested pensions on principle, I believe the state pension should be a fully living amount, that you can top up by choice and by your own risk with a private one.

This pension issue is not new and is a chasm that govs have been ignoring for years, look at the post office pension hole info.

Thebratdragon,
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@JimmyB @Wen @MadeyeTheCarnaptious @alanferrier except that the bail out protects the richest, and the poorest would still get screwed.

Thebratdragon,
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@JimmyB @Wen @MadeyeTheCarnaptious @alanferrier protecting the investors from the losses of their investment is a bail out.

as for dads. Mine was a farm herdsman who had to retire due to ill health at 60, the only reason he could was that by luck, his last job had been with the GLC and he got the superannuation pension. Otherwise he would have got the barest minimum and nothing from 30 years of other employers.

You want screwed...

danirabbit, (edited ) to random
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omfg nothing is more satisfying than consistent rules and patterns istg shit is so good 😮‍💨

Thebratdragon,
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@danirabbit all I can say is to everyone making language comparisons....

Look up how danish numbers work.

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