TropicalDingdong

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TropicalDingdong,

I might actually consider buying a Tesla at that point. The SO and I nixed the car as an option purely because of that guy.

TropicalDingdong,

That’s just a spot on analysis.

There are no Republicans that will vote for Joe Biden.

There are voters who will vote Joe Biden if he moves to go get them.

This isn’t complicated.

TropicalDingdong,

The shit-lib echo chamber is that way -> 🚪

TropicalDingdong,
TropicalDingdong, (edited )

I think what you meant to say was, that demographics of typically non-voting, but potentially Democrat voters, were activated in 2020, to flip GA.

No Republicans flipped to make GA go blue. It was massive turn out from black and youth voters.

The idea that Republicans do ‘flip’ or will ever ‘flip’ is a damaging fiction.

cbc.ca/…/georgia-demographic-shift-vote-democrat-…

TropicalDingdong,

He’s just making it up. Republicans going to Biden didn’t flip GA. An activated youth and black vote flipped GA.

TropicalDingdong, (edited )

Damn they found 24 22 kilos?

TropicalDingdong, (edited )
TropicalDingdong,

I don’t think Biden is interested in the progressive vote.

TropicalDingdong,

That’s not what the last 25 years of elections tell us.

When Democrats run on a progressive, or at least apparently progressive platform, they win, even if that’s not how they ultimately govern (Obama 08, 12; Biden 20). Biden’s 2020 platform was a lift and shift of every single one of Bernie’s policy positions: His platform was Biden in name only. Obama’s was also highly progressive. I’d put Gore in here too for a half point, considering that was basically a stolen election (SC decided Floridians voters didn’t matter), and he ran almost competently on climate change; he won the popular vote and the EC, but the SC decided that wasn’t relevant.

When they run center right candidates (Kerry 04, Hillary 16) and platforms, they lose.

Voters who show up and get Democrats elected into office have shown one thing:

Progressive candidates and platforms win you elections.

So this:

Nobody wants a progressive candidate

Is just a demonstrably false statement, easily rebutted by even a cursory glance at history.

TropicalDingdong,

Yeah this is just a non-sense statement with no grounding in reality.

What Presidential election have Democrats won without a progressive candidate or platform in the past 25 years?

TropicalDingdong,

Its has the potential to lose him the election.

TropicalDingdong, (edited )

They may have governed to the right, but that’s not what got them elected. Both of those candidates campaigned as progressives, or adopted highly progressive platforms.

You know. Campaigning. The part where you get elected?

And the two Democrats who campaigned to the center right, Hillary and Kerry, both lost their elections.

To be clear: We’re talking about campaigning right now, not governance.

TropicalDingdong,

No, they didn’t. Not at all. You are just re-writing history to fit your narrative.

Obama ran on holding wall street accountable (he didn’t) and on fixing healthcare/

Biden xeroxed Bernies entire platform. Like verbatim.

TropicalDingdong,

they’d be doing it

Who would be doing what? Biden took his platform far to the left in 2020 and it got him enough of Bernies collation to get him elected. Obama ran on healthcare and holding banks accountable.

And also…

A whole team of people who know far more than you are I,

No they fucking don’t. These are the same consultants that advised Hillary to prop up Trump in the primaries.

The fact is that if you are a Democrat running for President, at least giving lip service to progressive polices gets you elected. There is no requirement you govern that way once elected, but if you don’t at least entertain the Progressive vote as a Democrat, you don’t win the presidency.

TropicalDingdong,

just happen to remember it with a bit more clarity than you it seems

No, you don’t. You are just making shit up. GO look up their platforms.

TropicalDingdong,

Biden is a regressive chump

Biden has governerned as a regressive chump, but the DNC platform of 2020 was the most progressive platform for any major political party, pretty much since Roosevelt. Biden’s 2020 campaign was one of the most progressive in US history, from a policy perspective.

TropicalDingdong,

I mean it got him elected. I’m cynical enough that I want him to do it again. But he’s not going to get elected continuing to spit in the face of progressives.

TropicalDingdong,

To be clear, we’re only spending 0.35% of the amount we did to bomb it to rebuild it.

Basically a rounding error, something for the headlines.

TropicalDingdong,

He tanked the economy and killed over a million with his handling of COVID, the wall didn’t get built, Mexico didn’t pay for any of the repairs that did, Hillary has -34 felonies to her name, his trade war with China didn’t bring back manufacturing, Russia was emboldened by his term, American global superiority was damaged by his garbage foreign policy, fossil fuel usage is continuing to decline in favor of renewables…

I agree with all that. But you and I don’t live in the same world that Republican voters do. They litterally live in a completly different media and ‘story of history’ landscape. You obviously do, and should, despise all of the things that Trump did while he was president. But there is no denying that these were the things that Republican voters wanted him to do. And he gets to blame any failures on Democrats or the deep state or whatever other kookie bullshit they come up with.

You can and should hate the Republican agenda, but you shouldn’t put blinders on to suggest that Trump didn’t pursue it aggressively, and actually accomplish much of it. He got tax cuts for billionaires. He got the Supreme Court, and thus Roe. He at least tried to do almost all of the things he said he would do. You should disagree with all of those things, but you are not a Republican voter. Neither am I. But we should be clear headed about what Republican voters want, especially considering how horrible it all is.

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