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aardrian

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One hoopy frood who really knows where his towel is.

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aardrian, to accessibility
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I, for one, am curious how allowing tables (et al) in <option> is going to work when the issue discussing it is deferring to another issue — in which none of them are participating.

WHATWG : HTML parser changes for stylable <select>
https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/10310

aardrian, to random
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When I say not to disable submit buttons, I don’t mean hide them completely, you chucklefucks.
https://adrianroselli.com/2024/02/dont-disable-form-controls.html

aardrian, to accessibility
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The Stack Overflow / OpenAI news does not alarm me too much. There is lots of bad information there. I did a talk on it.

Twice:
• https://adrianroselli.com/2017/09/slides-from-a11ytoconf.html
• https://adrianroselli.com/2018/03/csun-2018-everything-i-know-about-accessibility-i-learned-from-stack-overflow.html

Essentially OpenAI is slurping more crap info so it can regurgitate more crap info. Which, frankly, is kind of its entire value proposition.

aardrian,
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Anyway, I am fine with this:
https://m.benui.ca/@ben/112396505994216742

Sure, you signed your rights away when you contributed. But I believe you can still extribute.

Though, given I only signed up to research it for a talk, then stopped answering, and now see my answers are outdated (which may explain why I am approaching a 9,000 reputation score), I am also fine with continuing to ignore it.

story645, to random
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Hi @aardrian, @WeatherGod suggested I reach out to you to ask if you know what image metadata screen readers use for alt text.

aardrian,
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@story645
Need more context. Where is this screen reader encountering the image? In a document? A web page? The file system?

@WeatherGod

aardrian, to accessibility
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Looking for TalkBack bug confirmation before I file an issue. Test page:
https://cdpn.io/pen/debug/ExzxwxW

TalkBack does not expose the contents of the tabpanel in the first example (“Auto Tab Panel sans Interactive Child”). Looking for confirmation from another Chrome 124 / TalkBack 14.2 / Android user. Or prior experience.

aardrian,
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I filed an issue anyway:
https://issues.chromium.org/issues/339678644

aardrian,
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@darin Exactly that. Sounds like you confirmed my experience.

Thanks!

aardrian,
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@vayiam Thank you!

aardrian, to random
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Apparently IRC spam is still a thing?

aardrian,
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@bermudianbrit Mostly for W3C telecons.

aardrian, to accessibility
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Until JAWS (and TalkBack) fixes its heading level bug and unless Microsoft removes its heading level limit in Windows, heading depth will continue to have a limit.

This may become more obvious if headinglevelstart ever lands.

Granted, most content doesn’t (shouldn’t) need more than 6 levels, so it would (should) be an edge case.

https://adrianroselli.com/2024/05/level-setting-heading-levels.html

aardrian, to random
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I have no idea why I set this poll to three days, but it closes 8pm ET tomorrow night and it is 20 votes away from 400.
https://toot.cafe/@aardrian/112402554979567642

joelanman, to accessibility
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its a shame this hasnt moved along

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1404

aardrian,
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@joelanman Looks like it doesn’t need to? The SR users in the thread note that the context is apparent from the control and that it would add noise.

So doesn’t seem to be a priority given existing behavior. Never mind needing to then elevate that to HTML (since ARIA was only supposed to be a bridging technology, it would be good to see if this needs an HTML equivalent, which maybe not).

aardrian, to accessibility
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Thinking back to that time when WCAG 2.2 first went to review and French company , best known for its SLAPPs, asked to get a side-door added to WCAG for overlays:
https://www.w3.org/blog/2020/wcag22-wide-review/#comment-83070

aardrian,
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@patrick_h_lauke Holy shit I forgot all about that one. Nice to be reminded the grifters have been here all along.

aardrian, to accessibility
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You don’t have to be caught up in the Drake / Kendrick Lamar drama to know there are better memes to use than that Drake one.

Which you can customize:
https://codepen.io/aardrian/pen/yLaZOZX

As part of your larger effort at more accessible memes:
https://adrianroselli.com/2018/04/accessible-memes-can-be-done.html#DrakeMeme

aardrian, to accessibility
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“Level-Setting Heading Levels”
https://adrianroselli.com/2024/05/level-setting-heading-levels.html

TL;DR: Avoid setting heading levels greater than six (6). This applies whether using aria-level or the proposed headingstart HTML attribute. Use HTML <h#> elements whenever possible.

aardrian,
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@siblingpastry
I think(?) I hit 6 on a couple blog posts, but those are the really deep ones.
@r343l

aardrian,
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@zoltandulac Experience has taught me that sometimes even the obvious conclusions need to be stated explicitly.

aardrian,
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@ardouglass Agreed and agreed. The only reason I got around to writing it was because I expect headingstart is going to result in a lot of weird heading levels.

aardrian,
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@r343l Gatekeeping?

Or, possibly, reasons I lack the imagination to consider.

aardrian,
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@ardouglass IMO, that could live at the linter side of the shop. Accessibility testing tools would not flag that since it impacts all users.

aardrian, (edited ) to random
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“Digital Ocean” is a…

aardrian,
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@scott Plastic plants! Subterranean by design! It checks out!

aardrian,
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@pixel I sense a theme:
https://front-end.social/@scott/112411114397438132

pawelgrzybek, to webdev
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Interesting HTML/Accessibility fact.

HTML supports 6 levels of headings. ARIA supports 9 hierarchical levels, via aria-level property.

WAI-ARIA Spec:
https://w3c.github.io/aria/#aria-level

“Tackling The Web's Oldest Problem” episode of Igalia Chats podcast by @Meyerweb and @bkardell:
https://www.igalia.com/chats/heading

aardrian,
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@pawelgrzybek
Happily! I had a stub in my drafts folder and this conversation prompted me to fill it out.

@Meyerweb @bkardell

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