abbienormal

@abbienormal@tech.lgbt

this is an experiment fi mine with tech.lgbt

cis, gay, somewhat damaged

Introvert, demisexual, demiromantic

he/him/his

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abbienormal, to Youtube Italian

what's the state of the art for downloading videos from youtube on Ubuntu, nowadays ?


abbienormal, to guix Italian

This whole thread

And it just scratches the surface


https://merveilles.town/@csepp/110630712415216894

abbienormal,

@ArneBab

In fact I gave you a wide and articulated answer

It just happened that you didn't like it and you love feeling a victim

abbienormal,

@rml @ArneBab

But does this answer the question?

The question was: which project that abandoned GNU (with or without favourable conditions) did better ?

I'm just joking

This is the kind of "debate" I was called into

abbienormal,

@rml @ArneBab

  1. you're still not answering the question

  2. I didn't indicate political traits, I indicated psychological traits of the community. Taken from Stallmann. And they happen to be common with many reactionaries

Many people refuse to engage with because it's not safe

I don't know if the community is reactionary

I know it's a total failure

Would a "split" be worse ?

I don't know. Do you ?

And we're back to the question you still didn't attempt to answer

abbienormal,

@rml @ArneBab

  1. you're still not answering the question

  2. I didn't indicate political traits, I indicated psychological traits of the community. Taken from Stallmann. And they happen to be common with many reactionaries

Many people refuse to engage with the community because it's not safe

I don't know if the community is reactionary

I know it's a total failure

Would a "split" be worse ?

I don't know. Do you ?

And we're back to the question you still didn't attempt to answer

abbienormal,

@rml @ArneBab

Are you interested in the question?

I was deemed to not be

abbienormal,

@rml

Ah so it's not safe to interact with me

But I was arguing in the exact same way he has argued with me

So it's safe when they do it, it's not when it's done to them

But they're not reactionaries, so that's alright

abbienormal,

@rml @ArneBab

I made with you the exact same points that Arne made to me

if that's hard to swallow, Arne and you should ask youself some questions

abbienormal,

@rml @ArneBab

and yes, the community is a total failure

This is not vendetta, it's disappointment

and it's not made to offend

it's made to acknowledge some facts

People are refusing to engage, people re starting new projects way more featurful and successful instead of contributing, people are creating a non GNU userland

And this is happening because of the human modesty the community is plagued with

To me this is utter failure

Is it offensive ?

Well, too bad for you

abbienormal,

@rml @ArneBab

you don't need patches

you need to hear and to state the thrut about the state of the art

abbienormal,

@rml @ArneBab

Arne did exactly the same thing to me

"this doesn't answer my question"

the implication you find distasteful is not mine

Arne didn't do that to you, but he did to me

because I think the community is a failure and that makes me offensive and an infidel

The cause that needs help is not mine, dear

I already abandoned the projects as the rest of the world

abbienormal,

@rml @ArneBab

Have you seen this toot ?

https://icosahedron.website/@technomancy/110630755709058523

Do you know what the author has done ?

Why don't you (or Arne) go ask them if they know of any project that left GNU and was successful ?

Do you happen to know how many more people are working on non GNU FLOSS without bothering to make their reasons public ?

I believe the GNU effort is an utter failure

Does this disqualify my opinion ?

I'm not surprised

That's the reason of the failure

abbienormal,

@rml @ArneBab

And now I am muting you

vagina_museum, to random
@vagina_museum@masto.ai avatar

We're going to post something that isn't allowed on Twitter: a brief history of the term "cisgender"...

abbienormal,

@vagina_museum

Thanks for this

I didn't know much of this

abbienormal, to random Italian

how the #°§ do I see a list of videos of creators I follow on Nebula ?

#nebula

@notjustbikes do you know ?

abbienormal, to random Italian

are there any resources in Italian hat I could read throiugh ?

Which ones ?

Ci sono risorse in Italiano che potrei leggere attraverso rss ?

Quali ?

abbienormal, to random Italian

Can a merciful soul review and correct this edit of mine ?

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/136622292#map=19/41.11316/16.86761

rml, to programming
@rml@functional.cafe avatar

I think something the scheme community could learn from Haskell is to lean-in on it's prestige. I see so many people post about how they were never able to figure out how to use scheme in any practical way, and most schemers I've spoke to said it took them about a year to get really compfortable. But I think the community has traditionally advertised it as "so easy, you can learn it in an afternoon!", and so people, often times already coming from some other like , expect to be able to just pick it up, and when they fail to they think the language is lacking. But nobody comes to with such expectations, and the Haskell community never advertised it as super easy and quick to learn. In my experience, Haskell has always been sold as "takes time to learn, but is worth it".

abbienormal,

@thatgeoguy @rml

as for the hyperfocusing on features rather than on use cases: do you know about "bropages" ?

It aims to substitute the linux "man" command and it explain commands with examples ONLY

https://blog.desdelinux.net/en/bropages-the-practical-replacement-for-the-old-manpages/

and as far as I understand there are 2 more alternative projects doing the same thing

does this tell you anything about sheme documentation ?

abcdw, to random
@abcdw@fosstodon.org avatar

Lack of a built-in associative array/map in Scheme regularly hits and bothers me. It's so generic and so useful, maybe we will add it in r8rs?

Alists doesn't work here not only for performance reason, but because we can't distinguish empty list and empty alist.

abbienormal,

@ramin_hal9001 @rml @abcdw

it's my impression that records are less dynamic

In Clojure, you can change a single map on the fly

As far as I understand, with records, you need to change the definition of the record and revise ALL the code you already wrote

this is way I attempted to stress the point that I shaped my maps as long as thoughts came up

abbienormal,

@rml @ramin_hal9001 @abcdw

Well, thank you

But my problem was not the syntax

It's not like a different syntax for similar things throws me off the way

My problem was the experience

Do you realize that Guile can't pretty print hash tables ?

Can you imagine the experience I described with Clojure having to convert every hashmap into an alist in order to see it ?

Extending the pretty printer to make it print hash tables would be more useful

And I don't remember about pattern matching now

If you couldn't pretty print and pattern match plain lists would you say that Guile supports plain lists ?

Or that it's better for plain lists to be a library ?

Or that you need to seed the weeds or whatever ?

The point is not that I can't adapt to a different syntax or that I couldn't study Scheme

The point is that the experience for the learner is largely worse

And this tone deafness is part of the problem

abbienormal,

@rml @ramin_hal9001 @abcdw

Ok

So I'll have to take a look at r7rs records and Guix records

Thanks for that

Maybe it's a bit too late now, admittedly I probably won't

See, I turned 49 a few days ago, I have a day job and a whole lot of issues

I hope Guile will improve but I won't enjoy the improvement

I just regret that Guile managed to squander its generous attempt

But this is a general argument about the GNU project

It took some Richard Stallman's personal traits and made them into an anthropology

I apologize for my bitterness

abbienormal,

@rml @abcdw @ramin_hal9001

I taught a class based on the SICP to a bunch of nerds for several Saturday afternoons in my kitchen

And I learned a lot, admittedly

I explicitly avoided other schemes because Guile was enough

I started reading about Haskell because I wanted to read Oleg Kisielov about processing xml and that requires Haskell

I also started watching some incredibly ugly conferences about delimited continuations

But then I left it all because I have a life

Maybe a few more examples would have helped to fill the gap with more commercially oriented languages

And as I acknowledge you efforts, what I appreciate the most in your reply is agreeing with me about some deficiencies of the community/project

I appreciate a bit less remarks about what more I could have done

I did what I could

I think a reflection about what Guile requires to its people is due, that's my whole point

abbienormal,

@rml @abcdw @ramin_hal9001

I have to give you that

In fact, Guix is the only project I ever managed to contribute to (modestly)

And that's not because of my efforts only

In fact it's because of Guix efforts

And Guix still has an edge over the Docker madness

It's probably the only hope for Guile

It's just that I'm burnt out by now

abbienormal,

@rml @ramin_hal9001 @abcdw

They would be perfectly fine as a library

As long as they could be pretty printable and pattern matchable

It's not necessary at all that they come bundled with Guile

As I wrote, I appreciated the dinamicitu of Clojure maps that made my experience rewarding

Having to plot thing a priory and program yourself into a corner is the opposite of rewarding

You could read about Clojure maps and their reasons

And you could also consider Python dictionaries, they're similar in some regards

Also Guile hash tables and alist

I mean, associative structures are a thing

In Clojure they're particularly handy

Do you know that you can call a Clojure map as if it was a procedure ?

Now I have to go to bed

Good night!

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