Beehaw is a community of individuals and therefore does not have any specific political affiliation. At this point in time, we do not know what the political leanings of most of our users are. I would suspect that many of them would identify as progressive because we are explicitly a safe space for minorities. What we stand for...
It's honestly hard not to feel sorry about them after the Korean War. A lot of pro-NK sentiments are linked to anti-US and anticapitalist sentiments, seeing them as the desperate victim of invasion.
I'm not a fan of them, there is plenty they are doing wrong, but they're also far from the comical villains they're seen as by Western media. You know, "NK declare unicorns exist", " everyone has to have Kim's haircut " and also "you get executed for having his haircut", "political rival executed by anti-aircraft gun" and then later photographed alive.
The answer is somewhere in the middle and in many ways a product of their absurd, tragic history.
I told somebody I know who knew about Reddit's API changes about Lemmy. He has a master's degree in Computer Science and works as a software engineer. But then, he told me that it's too confusing to get into, even for someone like him. This is great feedback and I hope that these issues will be fixed in the coming months....
Yeah, this site is in early stages and if someone just wants to be babysat... we literally don't have the manpower for that yet! A smaller dedicated userbase is more important at this stage than mindless growth.
When I logged in today, I noticed that I had 3 pending registrations on my instance. I haven't really come up with any rules, any moderation policy....really anything....
I just want to say the maintainer who wrote that appears to have handled this gracefully. It gives me hope.
They've made a transparent public announcement, making it clear what we should and shouldn't expect from them, and how we should handle it. They understand the FOSS paradigm (no, I correct myself, the digital paradigm) and have given their blessings for the community to do what they do best. I'd guess the smart thing to do is play along with the cease notice to avoid consequences, go underground and make YouTube play whack-a-mole with sock-puppets and hostile jurisdictions.
Cut off one head and three shall take its place. Wind in your back lads, wherever you go.
OK guys I just got out of my 2 day ban for "trolling". All I did was make post on here and it wasn't even the type of thing that would get you in trouble for posting it on reddit. This is unacceptable. The goal of this place is to be as much like shitty ask reddit as possible. Lemmy.ml apparently doesn't like shitposting so we...
OK guys I just got out of my 2 day ban for “trolling”. All I did was make post on here and it wasn’t even the type of thing that would get you in trouble for posting it on reddit.
This is a great time to emphasise that Lemmy should not be treated as "reddit, but here".
Reddit had serious userbase issues that people here often don't want to see replicated, so instances took efforts to prevent them. Whichever communities you end up deciding to join, learn about the place and their policies first.
I notice (and I realize it's most likely an issue at the source and not the fault of the creator) that some now-dead instances which were formerly top-10 aren't show here. Hexbear also isn't shown: while it (currently) doesn't federate, similarly to bakchodi, it is also a fork and so technically not Lemmy, but pretty much Lemmy.
Linus' thread: (CW: bigotry and racism in the comments) https://social.kernel.org/notice/AWSXomDbvdxKgOxVAm (you need to scroll down, i can't seem to link to the comment in the screenshot)
First all the bs with Twitter and Elon, then Reddit having an exodus to Lemmy (not complaining lol), then Twitch. Are we like, in an alternate self healing dimension or something?
Well, while it is surprising it's all happening within a year or so, it's not unexpected at all.
They're ultimately for-profit companies. They have openly demonstrated the obvious truth that when push comes to shove, users don't matter to them, at least not as much as money. Our attention was the product.
These companies have proven time and time again that a quick moneygrab will win over retaining the people who make the site work. capitalism 101 baby.
Yeah, I heard someone pitching the old let "AI" handle it line. Machine learning can't moderate those communities to even a mediocre standard. It's just too variable, subjective and nuanced. Even actual members of communities can be crappy at moderating them!
They probably can, judging by how other software handle logs. I think it's just non-public to prevent stalking and harassment, and that's a valid concern, I can say from experience in other communities. Transparency and security is often a tough balance.
I do support the need to make Nazis feel unsafe in public, but ostracizing them is never going to teach them anything except how to disguise their acts. This tactic has a purpose to prevent the spread of a minority opinion in public, but that tactic doesn't apply in this scenario, where a bunch of people are coming in who think they're doing nothing wrong because they've normalized ignorant criticisms of PRC and think it might as well be Nazi Germany.
Don't compare them to Nazis, these people sincerely believe that the CPC are "committing genocide" and an "authoritarian dictatorship". The problem isn't that they think racism or xenophobia, as a concept, is acceptable, it's because they don't realize what they're saying is racist or xenophobic, they think it's an objective fact.
Banning them for "orientalism", without clearly linking it to "Rule #", evidently doesn't teach them that their comments were xenophobic or ignorant or racist. It makes them think this place is run by propagandists who won't accept a critique of PRC, and doesn't solve anything.
If the sidebar explains that orientalism is all these things, at least there is an opportunity for them to understand our perspective and learn and change their behaviour, instead of just assuming we're the problem and doing the same thing everywhere else.
it should be a normal thing to assume this is unacceptable behaviour, even if racism and bigotry was normalised on Reddit.
It should be, I agree!
It isn’t a normalized thing, and the current policy of staff isn’t helping to make it normal. They have a good opportunity to teach people normalized orientalism is xenophobic, but this opportunity is squandered through their poorly-explained ban reasons and rules. Very simple steps can make it clearer to offenders that they are being chauvinistic when they (mistakenly!) think they’re being anti-racist. The way things are, they think they’re being banned “for no reason” and will just do the same thing again.
The issue is that they don’t realize their attitude is demeaning, it’s not that they think racism or xenophobia is ok, they just actually don’t understand why what they’re doing is racist or xenophobic, and so small adjustments to the rules page (such as “racism and xenophobia, including orientalism” with a link to an explaining page) would provide an up-front opportunity to explain that they are being chauvinistic and give a chance to learn.
Nationalistic, xenophobic, raxist, anticommunist frenzy is actually a very Nazi thing to do, though I was using the example of displaying Nazi tattoos, as I think most people would be able to, at least in theory, sympathize with socially policing the display of Nazi symbols.
Like you said, most people recognize that glorifying Nazism is wrong.
Most of the people coming to lemmy.ml don't recognize that calling PRC an genocidal authoritarian dictatorship is wrong. This is an extremely normalized POV in places like USA and lots of Europe. Even among people who consider nationalism, xenophobia and racism to be wrong. People who have Nazi tattoos know what they are doing, and know why they are being ostracized. So this is why I emphasise that finding ways to systematically hint out that orientalism IS xenophobic and not just "stating the objective facts", is important.
It’s rarely something that happens by reading some rules or having one discussion
Yes, and that documentation or discussion is one of those times they disagree repeatedly. And if it's in the sidebar, that's an efficient one that can be referenced (like you suggested). If anything, it more easily filters out those unlistening bad faith ones by just saying "Read the link in rule 1" and seeing if they even read it. When these people are arriving in large numbers, that efficiency goes a decent way to prevent burnout.
It’s rarely something that happens by reading some rules or having one discussion, so the user is getting banned in the meantime anyways lol.
Oh of course, they're getting banned regardless lmao
You joined a site and didn't read the global rules. There are many places for shitposting, some that even embrace it, and this place makes it as clear as possible that this isn't one of them.
Hah, I haven't heard that analogy before, but I see what it's getting at. I wouldn't say it's a rule to live by, but as you learn more about technology you (usually) also learn more about its constant abuse and its critical flaws.
It’s the mediocre and peri- technologists that drive hype. Right?
I'm not sure exactly who you mean, but never believe the hype:
Steve Jobs didn't know shit about computers and took the fame from people who did, just like Edison and Musk.
Most people studied in machine learning hate the term "Artificial Intelligence", it's a marketing gimmick used by marketing.
There's a similar, but lesser, sentiment in security being called "cyber".
Anything saying "better privacy" or "more secure" without giving a specific threat scenario (like, more secure against [x] attack) - they don't know shit. Privacy and security are not linear values you can have more or less of.
Internet of Things ('smart devices') is a privacy and security NIGHTMARE, and we've known that since day 1. Companies don't care. It's easy money.
If you can't (hypothetically) run it yourself, you're the product.
An Etiquette Guide for New Users (lemmy.ml)
post-script:...
On Politics and Forking
Beehaw is a community of individuals and therefore does not have any specific political affiliation. At this point in time, we do not know what the political leanings of most of our users are. I would suspect that many of them would identify as progressive because we are explicitly a safe space for minorities. What we stand for...
Here's why more people won't switch to Lemmy.
I told somebody I know who knew about Reddit's API changes about Lemmy. He has a master's degree in Computer Science and works as a software engineer. But then, he told me that it's too confusing to get into, even for someone like him. This is great feedback and I hope that these issues will be fixed in the coming months....
Socially, How do I moderate my instance if I accept registrations?
When I logged in today, I noticed that I had 3 pending registrations on my instance. I haven't really come up with any rules, any moderation policy....really anything....
I'm Not Invidious (blog.thefrenchghosty.me)
‘We Need to Start Killing’: Trump’s Far-Right Supporters Are Threatening Civil War (www.vice.com)
Invidious: "YouTube legal team contacted us" (github.com)
They don't understand that we never agreed to any of their TOS/policies, they don't understand that we don't use their API....
Unfortunately, we have to move to a different lemmy instance since "trolling" isn't allowed on lemmy.ml. Any ideas on where we should go to?
OK guys I just got out of my 2 day ban for "trolling". All I did was make post on here and it wasn't even the type of thing that would get you in trouble for posting it on reddit. This is unacceptable. The goal of this place is to be as much like shitty ask reddit as possible. Lemmy.ml apparently doesn't like shitposting so we...
Timeline of total users at the top 10 Lemmy instances (public.flourish.studio)
A timeline I created of the total users at the top 10 Lemmy instances.
Linus Torvalds -- Creator of Linux -- defends gun regulation, woke communists, womens rights AND trans rights. Linux is political! (cdn.masto.host)
Linus' thread: (CW: bigotry and racism in the comments) https://social.kernel.org/notice/AWSXomDbvdxKgOxVAm (you need to scroll down, i can't seem to link to the comment in the screenshot)
Seriously, what's up with big sites literally dying as we speak?
First all the bs with Twitter and Elon, then Reddit having an exodus to Lemmy (not complaining lol), then Twitch. Are we like, in an alternate self healing dimension or something?
Expressing concerns about moderation policy on lemmy.ml
This was originally posted to lemmy.pineapplemachine.com: https://lemmy.pineapplemachine.com/post/5781...
What is your boomer opinion
What opinion just makes you look like you aged 30 years