haui_lemmy

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

Thank you very much. I was searching for a middle ground or at least a general direction towards it.

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

Which is your right. I stand on the opposite side and say I‘m not federating with „childp*rn.com“ for example. You can do so and tell everyone how you gave the child molesters a chance.

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

Someone gets the fundamental problem. i’m impressed. :) like the person in a car accident that asks people to help or move out of the way being called bossy afterward. :D

But yes, I’m trying to bring people together. Being upfront and transparent about it seems to be a good way to at least lessen the potential for bad actors to pit us against each other. Call me paranoid but I’m fairly certain we’re helping whoever wants the fediverse to fail by getting at each others throats every time a new “giant corporation” or “morally corrupt actor” knocks at our door.

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

Who started with an all or nothing stance? I proved you wrong, now you’re upset, I get that.

So again, I think it is every instances right to do as they please. There already are “pacts” in place to defederate certain parties and behave a certain way. it is how laws came to existence, just so you know. Its one or more parties stating their own stance on things and if they can find others like them, they might cooperate. There is nothing wrong with this. I dont even get what your problem is.

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

This has already been done. There are already instances with shared, written identities. I know you’re trying to portrait it as something horrible but committing to a shared goal is not inherently bad. You could try to actually help people now make the same mistakes again and again.

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

I know they will. my instance is going to defederate anyone who tries this immediately.

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

No I didnt. Thanks for letting me know.

And my rules are flawed by design. They‘re my first draft. If what I did was perfect I would rule the world, but I am not and nobody is.

Thats why we have democracy. To find common ground. They‘re just an idea, something to help understand an idea and to work off of.

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

I think we’re having a misunderstanding here. I dont mean defederate those who do not agree to these rules but those who break them. Like if lemmy world we’re to get as big as all other fedi instance, they would need to be defederated as to make them help other instances to grow. Power consolidation is bad and this rule would try to preempt that.

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

Same answer as before. We would need to find solutions for this as well, together. Thats how teamwork is done.

I‘d say something automatic for things that are pure numbers like the member count. A server is running dozens of operations anyway. If a new server asks for federation, it could get checked for member count and if the count exceeds the arbitrary number (in my example it was 50 or 100 of the rest of the fediverse) the request gets denied.

For more complicated things like pushing ads, one can report a post, moderators bump the report up to the admin and they press „block server“.

Changing the protocol is a little more complicated still. We‘d need to agree what constitutes a „change“, if there are exceptions. Then we‘d look in the logs for suspicious behavior (more like have a script look) and get notified if a server was only sending unusable resonses for certain requests of whathaveyou.

Again, its an idea, something to spark more ideas and lead to more solutions.

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

I am pretty baffled at how genius your questions are. This is exactly what I was hoping to achieve. Spark discussion and ideas.

Rn, my motivation behind the user number is that no single corporation or entity can flood a democratic system, which is by definition then immediately under their control, provided their users are agreeing or being influenced which we have seen time and time again. This is why a large entity would need to break their instances down into smaller instances to avoid this and would need to put them under different management. Same as with the EUs anti monopoly laws. I suppose there could be alternatives. Anyone should feel free to propose them.

Again, an excellent question. I have only thought as far as „this post has been powered by meta, get an account at“ and so on… obviously, there are less overt ways of doing this but for swiftness sake I‘d start with obvious ones and take them out, leave the others until a very good proposal is forming.

The motivation against altering the protocol alone is to keep EEE attacks from happening. So, they can propose a change for all, keep to the agreed solution or leave, imo. That way they are encouraged to argue and not just do their thing. One could say if its open source its still okay bit proprietary is absolute no go.

And yes, I agree full. Feel free to write your own ideas of motivations down so we can discuss them. :)

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

Yeah, makes perfect sense. Thank you very much for the heads up! :)

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

Sounds very reasonable. Git still needs improvement imo. It’s tough to use even for experienced people. Works good though.

Most fun i had was writing translations in weblate recently. Another way of contributing that works well.

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

Exactly. Thanks for mentioning it. :)

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

Abso-f*cking-lutely! Thank you for the feedback! :)

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

Yeah! Absolutely. Actually, a couple people are getting inspired by this and I‘m very happy to have made a little difference. Your message helped as well.

Lets see where this goes. Would you want to beta test some new approach as well? Someone is making a python questionaire or such.

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

Totally relatable. I‘m asking myself the same. The answer is: as long as we dont ask, we wont get an answer, so here we are, asking questions. :)

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

I agree. I‘m not saying „we‘re there, just use it.“ I‘m saying „lets work on it“.

As you can see in the other comments, people are getting inspired to pick up the mantle and make things more accessible.

I have succeeded in getting peeps to talk about it, despite the little misunderstanding with github.

But thank you again for pointing out that it indeed needs more work.

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

Yes, correct. That is absolutely what I’m after. /s I’m trying to get people to work together instead of either trying to get employed by megacorps to make a decent living or be exploited by them for using their software. Sue me.

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

Neat! Will let you know once i hear back!

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

I think its a skill nonetheless. Boiling something down to a merely binary or the most basic structure is not something everyone can do. Thanks for elaborating. You might be a great fit if any form of “foss improvement pact” ever comes to existence. Because most people who have deep technical knowledge lack social skills and the other way around. But being able to think very laterally or change mindsets is rare.

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

Wow. Great addition. Have a nice day.

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

You‘re absolutely correct. Meta isn’t really worth thinking about but having solutions for the future could be good.

haui_lemmy, 5 months ago

Yeah, its sad. I‘m still playing from time to time but the telemetry and the regular „authentication servers down“ sh*t is really trying to tell me something I suppose.

Will get into minetest soon I believe.