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jupiter_rowland, 17 days ago

@julian What Lemmy understands is this:

Title<br></br><br></br>@Community<br></br><br></br>Post body

It was added back in the day to make it possible for Mastodon users to start new threads in connected Lemmy communities.

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta

jupiter_rowland, 17 days ago

And, of course, happy rezday to @Juno Rowland!

jupiter_rowland, 18 days ago

@Danie van der Merwe

thing is though there are also many existing alternatives to Mastodon already on the Fediverse, so why fork it?

Because you still don't know there's more to the Fediverse than Mastodon. I think at least every other Mastodon user doesn't.

Or if you do, you think it's all just alternative graphical frontends to the same stuff that Mastodon is.

That's why people still develop stuff only against Mastodon. Bonus points for slapping "Fediverse" on it.

That's why people still fork Mastodon to add features that are available just about everywhere else.

And that's probably why @The Nexus of Privacy wants to fork Mastodon into what he seems to think will be the absolute pinnacle of privacy, security and permission control in the Fediverse, blissfully unaware that it's not only an attempt at re-inventing the wheel, but a far cry from what @Mike Macgirvin 🖥️ has been developing since 2012. That was four years before Mastodon.

Seriously, I keep seeing people wish for features in "the Fediverse" (read, Mastodon), features that are readily available elsewhere in the Fediverse. Some of them have been since before Mastodon was even made.

CC: @tallship

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #NotOnlyMastodon #FediverseIsNotMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse

jupiter_rowland, 25 days ago

@Adrian Roselli @Stefan Bohacek See #superbowl which could be understood as "Superbowl" or "superb owl".

jupiter_rowland, 27 days ago

@Juno Rowland That'd probably work better than the mostly vintage electronics I'd surround myself, at least in situations like that.

jupiter_rowland, 1 month ago

@ɟloʍ Es gibt leider auf Mastodon absolute Mimosen, die ihr Nur-Mastodon-nur-500-Zeichen-Fediverse wiederhaben wollen, weil alles, was davon abweicht, sie verstört. Und die können unsereins tatsächlich Reichweite kosten.

Ignoriert zu werden, weil man die 500-Zeichen-Marke überschreitet, ist dabei noch harmlos. Allerdings kostet das auch schon Reichweite, wenn jemand denselben Post mit demselben Inhalt geboostet hätte, wenn er nicht zu lang gewesen wäre.

Es gibt Leute, die blockieren sofort jeden, von dem sie einen Post mit mehr als 500 Zeichen sehen oder mit sonst irgendwas, was Mastodon nicht kann. Wenn so jemand der einzige Nutzer auf einer nicht so großen Instanz ist, der deine Posts empfängt, und dich dann blockiert, tauchen deine Posts nicht mehr in der föderierten Timeline der ganzen Instanz auf.

Ich wage zu behaupten, es gibt sogar Leute, die sich an die Mods ihrer Instanz wenden, damit die was gegen die "störenden" Posts machen. Und wenn da ein Mod so tickt wie sie oder ihren Usern jeden Gefallen tun und dabei am Fediverse jenseits von Mastodon null Interesse haben, dann bist du schneller instanzweit gesperrt, als du gucken kannst. Oder die ganze Instanz, wo du bist, wird gesperrt.

Ich habe ja tatsächlich den Verdacht, daß ich auf so manch einer Instanz gesperrt bin, weil ich nicht "mastodonmäßig" genug poste und mich nicht ausschließlich an die Mastodon-Kultur halte. Wenn ich mit einer Instanz über meinen Main nicht interagieren kann, über den Klon aber sehr wohl, erhärtet sich der Verdacht sogar noch.

Will sagen, es ist durchaus möglich, daß einzelne Mastodon-Nutzer mit ihren Aktionen dafür sorgen, daß ganz andere Mastodon-Nutzer dich nicht mehr wahrnehmen.

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jupiter_rowland, 1 month ago

@julian @Aaron Gray @Rimu Good luck making a standard for something that isn't even all the same all over the Fediverse.

Take replies as an example. Mastodon mimics Twitter. All posts are technically the same, whether they're replies or not. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever for Mastodon to name replies something else than start/stand-alone posts.

On the other hand, there are many projects that have a concept of conversations. Threads aren't made up of posts and more posts, but of one posts and many of something different. So a reply is something vastly different from a start/stand-alone post and handled differently. Separate entry fields. Fewer features. Replies have a different set of recipients than start/stand-alone posts. Or you don't even own your reply to someone's post because that someone does.

This is the case for nodeBB, at least partially. It has been the case for Friendica since its inception almost 14 years ago when it was still named Mistpark. It has been the case for Hubzilla since its inception almost 12 years ago when it was still Red. It was and is the case for everything that came after Hubzilla, including (streams). It's the case for everything that mimics Reddit, i.e. Lemmy, /kbin, Mbin, PieFed, Sublinks etc. It's the case for Plume as well as the WordPress plug-in. And so forth.

In all these cases, it's counter-productive to use the exact same term for start/stand-alone posts and for replies.

On the other hand, the same term is used for different things on different projects which leads to confusion. On Mastodon, "community" is an unofficial word for loose gatherings of users who have something in common. On Lemmy, it means the same as a subreddit, basically a forum. On (streams), it means a server instance.

Like Hubzilla, (streams) can't use "instance" for server instances because an "instance" refers to an instance of a cloned channel. Speaking of which, for almost 12 years again, Hubzilla has been using "channel" for a kind of identity container that's unique to these two and completely alien to pretty much the whole non-nomadic rest of the Fediverse. So "channel" may refer to other things elsewhere.

If you really aim to create a common language for the whole Fediverse and make it pretty much mandatory, you'll have to get the developers of all projects (or "projects" because (streams) isn't one) on board. Otherwise they'll be overruled by a committee that has no idea what they're even doing.

For example, if both @Mario Vavti (Hubzilla) and @Mike Macgirvin 🖥️ (streams repository) are left out, and nobody in the committee has ever heard of Hubzilla and (streams) and their channel concept and nomadic identity, Hubzilla and (streams) will be forced to rename all kinds of unique features while not even having any words to name them anymore because they're all officially redefined otherwise, because the common Fediverse language was defined with complete disregard for nomadic identity.

Also, I expect two things to happen. One, everyone wants to keep their own language. Some may argue that it sets them apart from others which is the reason for Lemmy communities vs /kbin magazines. Others may argue for how long they've been using certain terms, especially Friendica, and they don't want these terms taken away by "intruders". Others again may just be stubborn and, in turn, try to push their language onto everyone else. The latter I can see happen with Mastodon whose representatives will argue that Mastodon is twice as big as everything else combined, maybe even in combination with fake news propaganda that Mastodon was here first.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Terminology

jupiter_rowland, 1 month ago

@Cheryl Furse

https://social.growyourown.services/@FediTipsFedi.Tips wrote the following post Mon, 15 Apr 2024 18:28:51 +0200

If you're posting a video clip or an audio clip attached to a post, remember to include a text description which describes the sound. This is important so that the video or audio is accessible to deaf people.

Also, if it's a video, it's important to describe both the sound and the visuals so that it's accessible to everyone.

Text descriptions for audio and video are added just like text descriptions for images (exact steps vary depending on which app you use).

#FediTips #Accessibility

In case you don't know what this is: It's a quote-post of another Mastodon post. There's a link to the original and a link to @Fedi.Tips who posted it. Check both out.

jupiter_rowland, 1 month ago

@Giac El Vecio Good idea, by the way.

jupiter_rowland, 1 month ago

@_jayrope Some Mastodon users, instance admins included, would love certain entire projects to be blocked, all instances of them, due to the "un-Mastodon-like" stuff coming from there. Friendica and Hubzilla first and foremost.

Others want the Fediverse to be only Mastodon.

This feature would allow them to achieve that without playing whack-a-mole with instance blocklists.

So from their POV, it'd be positive.

I myself just want to see the reactions.

jupiter_rowland, 1 month ago

@_jayrope You can, but Mastodon instance can't flick a switch, and everything that isn't Mastodon is defederated.

But many Mastodon users and even some Mastodon instance admins would love this to be possible.

A "Keep those Mastodon-hating Friendica people out" blocklist.

An anti-over-500-characters allowlist.

A "Fediverse = Mastodon" allowlist.

A wet dream of those Twitter refugees who shat bricks when they learned about the Fediverse not being Mastodon would finally come true.

jupiter_rowland, 1 month ago

@Chris Trottier Not everyone on Mastodon welcomes the rest of the Fediverse with open arms when they learn about it.

I mean, keep in mind that almost everyone who came over from Twitter to Mastodon in the last two years was not told that the Fediverse is more than just Mastodon. So they came here with the belief that Mastodon = the Fediverse and the Fediverse = Mastodon, and nothing can "ruin this paradise" for them. And a paradise it was to them, compared to even pre-Musk Twitter but more so to Musk's Twitter.

They settled into Mastodon nicely. They got used to Mastodon. All while not even expecting there to be more to the Fediverse than just Mastodon.

Some eventually learned the truth.

It may have been because they've clearly used "Fediverse" and "Mastodon" synonymously or implied or out-right claimed that certain features that Mastodon lacks aren't available in the Fediverse at all or something like that. And some reply guy from Friendica came along and told them there's more to the Fediverse than just Mastodon.

It may have been because they themselves found a post in their personal timeline that did stuff that's completely impossible on vanilla Mastodon. 500 characters. Or text formatting. Or a quote. Whatever. Maybe it simply got washed up in their timeline because one of their followers had boosted it. And they asked the poster, "Like, WTF is this witchcraft?! How do yo even DO this on Mastodon?" And the poster told them, "I'm not on Mastodon, I'm on Hubzilla, Hubzilla is not Mastodon, it isn't a Mastodon instance, it isn't even a Mastodon fork, it's independendent from Mastodon, but it's connected to Mastodon, yada yada yada."

Their reaction might have been, "There's more to the Fediverse than just Mastodon? And whatever is out there can do all that cool stuff that I've been wanting to do so long? Intriging! Tell me more!" Plus an instant follow request. Their first non-Mastodon connection.

But their reaction might just as well have been, "WTF?!? Nope! This is absolutely disturbing! I don't want ANY of this in the Fediverse! It was so nice and friendly and cosy with only Mastodon, and now there are these intruders! Make them go away!"

I'm not even kidding: I know someone whom a Mastodon user has blocked because he's on Friendica and not on Mastodon. To her, the Fediverse equalled Mastodon, full stop. To her, he was an evil black-hat hacker who used this evil black-hat hacker tool named Friendica to hack himself into her Mastodon.

I've recently learned that there are actually people who came over from Twitter to Mastodon around the time when Musk bought Twitter, and who definitely still believe the Fediverse is only Mastodon. And they've done so for almost a year and a half. They will shit bricks when they learn the truth.

Also, there are people who want certain features purged from the whole of the Fediverse.

First and foremost, posts with over 500 characters. It's often those who still use the official Mastodon app that can't fold long posts in whom long posts disturb, but not only them.

I've once run a poll on whether or not to CW posts with over 500 characters, and if so, how. One option was a total, Fediverse-wide ban on posts over 500 characters. One user actually voted for that. That's proof enough that this attitude is cold, hard reality.

Then there's text formatting. Or quote-posts; remember that quote-tweets are used on 𝕏 to harass members of minorities, and they've often escapted to Mastodon because it doesn't have quote-toots. Or quotes in general.

All stuff that vanilla Mastodon can't do. At least not out of the box without some fancy, non-standard 3rd party mobile app work for quote-toots. So it's all stuff that some people want purged from the whole Fediverse.

If someone from Mastodon came to you and told you to stop posting over 500 characters or writing in bold type or italics, would you as an Akkoma user do so? In everything you'll ever post? If I guessed not, would I be correct?

See, Mastodon users can't convince users of Akkoma or Firefish or Sharkey or Friendica or Hubzilla to make use of features that Mastodon doesn't have. They can't force them either. There's no way for Mastodon users to have these features removed from those other projects either.

So the only remaining way to get rid of these features at least on these Mastodon users' home instances is by blocking everything from which posts with these features come.

But how should this blocking be done? Instance by instance? That's a game of whack-a-mole. For each instance you block, you discover two more instances. And new instances are being launched all the time. User by user? That's even more tedious and even more of a game of whack-a-mole.

And this is the reason why this has never been attempted, much less actually carried out yet.

I mean, those who are used to being on non-Mastodon Fediverse projects like Akkoma or Misskey or Friendica or Hubzilla are also used to having thousands of characters to play with and all kinds of text formatting and bullet-point lists and quotes and quote-posts, sometimes even things like headlines or images embedded in posts.

It's only natural for them not to understand how those feel who only know Mastodon. But I've read enough Mastodon toots that I think I'm able to understand how they feel. And not exactly rarely, posts that do stuff impossible on Mastodon and/or clash with Mastodon's culture (which requires e.g. content warnings in the summary field, regardless of whether whatever you use has a better solution than that) make them feel disturbed.

That said, I'd say that right now the number of Mastodon users who actually demand everything that isn't Mastodon be Fediblocked is rather small. But make it possible, and tell them that it's possible, and more users will demand it.

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jupiter_rowland, 1 month ago

@damon I know the threads you're referring to. Not only have I posted in both, but I've checked some of the profiles of the staunchest "Keep the Fediverse only Mastodon" protesters who clearly gave the impression of not knowing that the Fediverse is more than Mastodon, let alone more than ActivityPub.

Some joined in late October or in November 2022. Second Twitter migration wave.

So no, we aren't talking about the furries who have escaped Twitter in 2018 and made #awoo one of the most popular hashtags on Mastodon.

Had I mentioned all participants in the threads in my posts to give Mastodon just a little bit of Hubzilla's conversation model (remember, you can't follow threads on Mastodon, and Mastodon doesn't tell you about unread comments on posts you've already received), I think I might have caused a mass brick-shitting event by teaching many, many more Mastodon users that the Fediverse is not only more than Mastodon, but more than ActivityPub, and that I was literally writing to them via a Zot6-to-ActivityPub bridge right then.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon

jupiter_rowland, 1 month ago

@Chris Trottier And then there are the "I want non-corporate, non-commercial Twitter, but I don't want anything to interfere with it" people.

jupiter_rowland, 1 month ago

@stormbringer Thanks for proving my point to @Chris Trottier without even knowing that point.