We are currently doing the easy part of dropping emmissions. We have not yet peaked, globally speaking. Then we need to get to zero.
The only possible pathway now is overshoot and return. Which means we depend on carbon removal in a big style, in whatever form that will be.
It also means we will go temporarily over 2 °C. That is a critical number where several tipping points could be reached.
Pretty much the hardship has just begun. Now we need to stop emitting completely, somehow in the same time start to remove atmospheric CO² and hope that while we will be over 2 °C that no crucial tipping points will be reached.
While these policies aren’t nice and your assumptions might be right, it’s still a valid point that it’s unfair for people to suffer the consequences of other people’s actions.
In an ideal world everybody and everything would need to face the consequences of their own action. We don’t live in that world. So it’s not wrong to point out unfairness and fight for better solutions. Not being perfectly right yourself doesn’t take away the right to point out wrongness in others.
Now away from the ideal world into reality. In the (hopefully) long term the Maledives are doomed. And they aren’t alone. We screwed up the climate so much and we are still screwing up and haven’t even peaked our emmissions yet.
We need to accept the fact that life will get hard. We need to finally accept the fact that if we don’t overcome our differences, the human suffering will be absolutely brutal.
Unfortunately I am very pessimistic in this regard. Already and maybe since always human suffering gets ignored if it’s not your tribe. It seems like humans can’t overcome their tribe thinking. It seems like humans don’t improve on their hate and brutality against each others. And it seems that many humans aren’t able to feel sorry for human suffering if it’s far, far away.
The future looks bleak and we made it and still make it look that way.
Usually in a tornado you have a lot of debris flying around. The faster the blades go, the higher the probability to hit debris and damage the expensive blades.
I could imagine that el niño can contribute to CO² emmissions indirectly.
Maybe there are in an el niño year more wildfires happening compared to other years for example, which would release additional CO². Or maybe swamps get less water or a combination of several el niño weather effects.
I’m not denying that humanity is responsible for all the climate mess we are in. I’m saying that I can imagine el niño having higher than average CO² releases due to the weather effect it brings looking at a single year, not the climate 30 years.
Of course we humans brought not only ourselves but the vast majority of life into an crisis that seems now to run off. I am very pessimistic about the future as I see still no meaningful reply to this.
Still I find it plausible that in an el niño year there could be more than average CO² emmissions while neutral or la niña years could have less, so they would cancel each other out. If that is so, it would merely be on top of human made emissions, which are still higher than ever.
However, we’re probably at a point now where one can’t say anything for sure, because no human being has ever experienced 427 ppm CO² and the whole system has an inertia. With this sentence I don’t want to say that scientists work not well. I want to say that it is much harder to come to a conclusion to values that have never been seen before compared to data that we can compare with historic data.
Of course that doesn’t mean that we can’t blame fossil fuel use, because humans emissions are the ones we control most and if we want to continue our lives than we need to stop emmitting.
I think your idea is a very fine idea but at the same time very naive.
One can start advocating what you did. Looking at classes like poor and rich, the poor are definitely the majority, so theoretically one should be able to plant the seed of thought.
But in praxis that doesn’t necessarily work that way. I believe one will immediately be called ‘too extreme’ if not ‘terrorist’ and struggle to gain supporters. It doesn’t help that much of the media is owned by few people.
At the same time the rich showed already that they have no intention to stop poisoning our life basis if that would mean less money for them.
So even if one gets people to follow the idea and starts to get political attention, rich corporations that have a threat to their income have also shown many times that it is not too difficult for them to make people disappear or that they ‘tragically die’ somehow.
You are right. I kind of read your first comment like “Why don’t we simply take matters in our hands” instead of “it’s strange that many accept this exploitation of environment and even humans as perfectly normal”.
It is interesting and depressing to look at. It’s also fascinating to see how many people seem to be successfully brainwashed or whatever the reason is they vote against their own interest.
I just read a little about it. Going to the far side is by far more complicated as going to the side that faces Earth. As communication will be lost as soon as the rocket is behind the moon.
In order to keep contact, there are 2 lunar satellites launched acting as a bridge.
The far side is believed to have a very different composition compared to the near side and part of this mission is to find out why.
Any thoughts, ideas?
I thought maybe the far side receives much more impacts as it’s not protected by Earth, so maybe has much more “imported” materials from different areas of space while the near side is still much more Earth like. But that would probably just be surface, I don’t know.
KEY LARGO, Fla. (AP) — A university professor broke a record for the longest time living underwater without depressurization this weekend at a Florida Keys lodge for scuba divers....
I’ve been reading quite a lot about ww2 subs. Subs that dived for longer times could have pressures inside different to the outside pressure. This wasn’t enough to cause health issues, but it could make it either difficult to open the hatch or it blew open itself once unlocked.
Related to the pressure thing: When late war German uboats used the Schorchel technology (which is basically just an extended air intake and exhaust so the submarine could use it’s diesel machines at periscope depth) in bad weather, this could result in sudden pressure drops due to the schnorchel being submerged under a wave for a short time and the engines sucking the air out of the submarine itself. It was no easy ride
Incredible poor title. OP please add a sentence or two explaining the article.
I’ll start of doing that so other people don’t need to blindly click on a link that could be anything.
It’s about a welsh coal mine that got closed (not sure if because of environmental reasons or because of less demand) and then after rains turned into a toxic lake.
Article is questioning if the toxic lake and coal imports are any improvement environmentally compared to extracting coal locally.
I think it’s not asking the right questions. So there is a toxic lake now and maybe it’s worse than a coal mine, but that shouldn’t lead to the conclusion that the coal mine was maybe less bad. Instead it should come to the conclusion that companies need to be held responsible and can’t just abandon sites like that. Maybe they need to fill in some land or I don’t know, but their mess is their responsibility in my opinion.
That’s an article giving hope for sure. I don’t know how realistic it is. Maybe there’ll be an emmissions peak in 2024 while we should half emmissions by 2030.
The difficulty is: even if we’re peaking, we have only a few years to half these emmissions, which means there is no time at all to relax. We need to push even harder.
I’m worried about many countries switching to natural gas and declaring natural gas climate neutral. I believe this could be a big threat.
Sidenote: maybe I’m getting just old, but I did hard concentrate on that article where every other word is bold.
The Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation has a major impact on climate, not just in the northern Atlantic but globally. Paleoclimatic data show it has been unstable in the past, leading to some of the most dramatic and abrupt climate shifts known. These instabilities are due to two different types of tipping points, one...
I haven’t read the article. Dumb question anyway. Yes, AMOC is approaching a tipping point, that science has been public since years. Yes, AMOC has already slowed down some dozen or more per cent.
And while we here answering the same questions as always: yes the climate is changing, yes climate change is also occuring naturally, however this one is human made and yes, the outlook isn’t good at all. No, we shouldn’t continue burning fossil fuels to feed our energy hunger and yes, we need to do something now or better yeaterday. And no, asking repetitive questions isn’t action enough.
Edit: excuse me. I got a little emotional. Education about climate change is good. I’m just a little tired of reading the same stuff since decades I guess, while at the same time we continue to burn more and more fossil fuels.
You’re not wrong and my comment is supposed to be jokingly.
I’m sure you used your example to show how easy it is, it just sounds so terribly distopian. Your point could have been an optimistic outlook into a different future but:
Why? Why of all things that can be used to turn an alternator, why the heck does it have to be child labor?
Makes sense environmentally. But that’s not the focus of our societies. Everything is about profit and costs.
The last sailing boats didn’t stop because they were slower. I’m not even sure if they were, they could go almost 20 knots in ideal conditions.
The main point was labour cost. An engine ship needs just a few men to run it. A sailing ship with dozens of sails needs dozens of men. The work was incredibly hard and dangerous (like being wet and exposed to the weather for days and weeks working 14 hours or something a day and I think it was normal to consider one death per cape horn trip). If you wanted to do something like this today, you’d have to pay high salaries and probably high insurance costs.
Also sailing ships are more difficult to plan a schedule, because they can’t go a constant speed. That brings higher costs for storing goods.
That’s cool, thank you for pointing out that ship. I only knew of the Tres Hombres which runs under Fairtransport. I’ve seen some videos on Youtube and got the impression they are financially struggling.
I love those sailing ships of the old times. I find them fascinating. If you love them like me, this is a real gem of video material commented by a sailing captain.
Exactly! We understand that stopping climate change is possible on paper.
But we also believe that societies won’t change as fast as needed and that we won’t help each other as needed.
We saw the pandemic. We saw how we reacted. We know we need to voluntarily reduce emmissions faster than that without ever rebouncing. We know richer countries need to finance poorer countries’ transmission.
What is happening? During the pandemic poor countries were left behind. Vaccines are still patented and were hoarded by rich countries. A lot of people celebrate the past pandemic economic rebounce. We fight some wars for different stupid reasons. And yeah, it’s hot as scientists told us but we make surprised pikachu faces when there is some climate record broken in the news.
Also corporations spread lies about the climate and politicians fail to act while people point at us doomers and say we are bad for action, because we aren’t optimistic.
Please, my government, take the money you take from me to make meaningful change! Man, you can even ration my meat and travel or whatever. I know it’s time for the rich to step up and do their part, but I’m still ready to sacrifice if it is in the right direction. It’s probably late, but as a doomer I am not advocating status quo. Heck, the opposite, let’s destroy what destroys our life basis even if it is uncomfortable!
In 2020, new regulations required the shipping industry to use cleaner fuels that reduce sulfur emissions. Sulfur compounds in the atmosphere are reflective and influence several properties of clouds, thereby having an overall cooling effect. Preliminary estimates of the impact of these rules show a negligible effect on global mean temperatures — a change of only a few hundredths of a degree. But reliable assessments of aerosol emissions rely on networks of mostly volunteer-driven efforts, and it could be a year or more before the full data from 2023 are available.
Thanks for the info, I didnt see too many Videos of Hossenfelder yet, but the ones I saw I found quite good.
In physics she doesn’t always support a mainstream idea, like she’s rejecting the theory of dark matter, which I find an interesting position.
I haven’t had the impression that she does videos without research.
Anyway, as always and everywhere in life it is never good to rely on a single source. There are some differences in what scientists believe and I find it interesting to hear any side of a civil discussion.
There are still uncertainties in climate science, so maybe it’s sometimes good to not only look at the most likely outcomes, especially when a lot of lives depend on the outcome.
That said, thank you very much for you suggestion, I will have a look! The only current climate scientist I follow on Youtube is ClimateAdam. And then some old videos of Carl Sagan at times.
Monthly drop hints that China’s CO2 emissions may have peaked in 2023 (www.carbonbrief.org)
BABYMETAL x Electric Callboy - RATATATA (OFFICIAL VIDEO) (youtu.be)
The Maldives faces existential threat from a climate crisis it did little to create. We need the world’s help now (www.theguardian.com)
They can't filter out obvious misinformation. (hexbear.net)
cross-posted from: hexbear.net/post/2609634...
[Video] INSANE TORNADO PIPE intercept with windmills toppled near Greenfield, Iowa! (www.youtube.com)
America’s Nuclear War Plan in the 1960s Was Utter Madness. It Still Is. (www.motherjones.com)
Carbon Dioxide Just Took an Ominous, Record-Breaking Jump | The world’s gold standard CO2 observatory just experienced its biggest year-over-year increase. (www.bloomberg.com)
‘Hopeless and broken’: why the world’s top climate scientists are in despair (www.theguardian.com)
cross-posted from: lemmynsfw.com/post/11288860...
[Video][SCMP] Blast off for China’s historic Chang’e 6 mission (www.youtube.com)
A Florida man living underwater won’t resurface even after breaking the record (www.seattletimes.com)
KEY LARGO, Fla. (AP) — A university professor broke a record for the longest time living underwater without depressurization this weekend at a Florida Keys lodge for scuba divers....
What did they expect? (consciousnessofsheep.co.uk)
We might be closer to changing course on climate change than we realized | Greenhouse gas emissions might have already peaked. Now they need to fall — fast. (www.vox.com)
Is the Atlantic Overturning Circulation Approaching a Tipping Point? (tos.org)
The Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation has a major impact on climate, not just in the northern Atlantic but globally. Paleoclimatic data show it has been unstable in the past, leading to some of the most dramatic and abrupt climate shifts known. These instabilities are due to two different types of tipping points, one...
Oil bosses call phasing out fossil fuels a ‘fantasy’ – but an international agreement is plausible (theconversation.com)
Warming can be stopped, top climate scientist says — Harvard Gazette (news.harvard.edu)
Climate models can’t explain 2023’s huge heat anomaly — we could be in uncharted territory (www.nature.com)
The world is reducing its reliance on fossil fuels – except for in three key sectors: shipping, aviation and industry a long way from net zero (www.theguardian.com)
Revisiting the hot model problem | Despite a hot 2023 and the recent Hansen et al paper, there is still reason to doubt very high climate sensitivity models (www.theclimatebrink.com)