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To be fair, I think there's an issue with the obfuscation / blurring on a lot of the NSFW posts, i.e. people are tagging their post as adult only, but the thumbnail still shows "in all it's glory", I'll add an example below (don't worry, I'll still obfuscate):

Obfuscation not working properly (SFW)

I also feel like the blur isn't aggressive enough for some posts I've seen; I'd prefer something less... subtle... Sync for Reddit would just straight up show you a red box as the preview unless you went into the post.

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I may have missed the mark on my point in the main post to be fair; It's not about fearing defederation from beehaw.org, it's more about ensuring we don't get overran by people with ill-intentions before the dust has settled, and whilst the site doesn't have the manpower in place to keep things like that under control.
Currently there's nothing stopping someone from the communities beehaw has defederated with from signing up here and going on a fullblown hate campaign because they disagree with the ideals of the beehaw admins. Everywhere they go, those local instances are then looking at "ih8beehaw@kbin.social", and if nothing is done to prevent that, then it colours the rest of kbin.social users in a bad light. The more bad users you get, the more likely you are to experience widespread defederation, and lose out on a lot of what should make the concept of the fediverse great.

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I'm with you on that. Most of the front page on kbin has been Reddit related since I've been here, but whether it's just because federation appears to have kicked in (guessing @ernest may have disabled Cloudflare, as I've not been challenged yet this evening?), or we're kicking other magazines into gear, my front page today is a lot more varied. I'm looking forward to seeing things flourish across every instance.

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well taking up the whole thread is not an issue or is it? I quite enjoy talking with you to be honnest.

If the thread is relevant to the topic at hand, then no, and I think this is relevant.

you could have just ignored them and do nothing.

I could have, but I chose to downvote a handful of comments that I didn't think were adding anything to the discussion, and I felt could have been seen on any top 100 reddit thread.

but I understand that we don't share the same value as what downvoting mean, and I'm ok with that.

I'm ok with that as well, and I appreciate that we can have a civil discussion about it. Like I've already said, it wasn't a personal attack or me saying "shut up". If I wanted to do that, I'd have commented that, and likely been deservedly downvoted into oblivion, because that's just not productive.

Edit; My first reply sounds a bit authoritarian, I think, and that's not what I want to convey- I'm not saying there can't be discussions that slowly veer off the topic of the post, but at the same time, if you're clicking into post comments, you don't want the first thing you see to be a 50 comment chain that winds up in a heated name calling argument, or two people just talking about PS1 emulators on your @knitting post, especially when there's no way to collapse comments currently (officially).

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People are allowed to disagree with things, although I understand if someone is just spamming the entirety of a thread with downvotes for no appreciable reason.
I'm in agreement with @eatmoregreenfood, that displaying your votes should be opt in, if available on the front end at all.
On a social basis, I don't think it matters; Whilst it would be preferable that someone explains why they disagree with something (assuming it is actually a disagreement, and not just malicious), I don't think anyone should be fearful of downvoting because the OP might call them out on it and expect them to explain, or forever see nothing from that user again. Disagreement isn't inherently negative.

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Myself, and a handful of users by the looks of it, disagreed with the content of some of your posts, or thought it wasn't relevant / contributing to the discussion. I certainly didn't downvote the entirety of your contribution to that thread, and I don't intend for you to think it's a personal attack.

If you'd like to have a discourse on why I downvoted 4 of your comments, I, like many others aren't looking for the 'redditification' of another site, regardless of how similar the premise might be, and that's what I felt those comments were promoting, particularly 'gesundheit'. I understand wanting things to be 'just as good as they were', etc., but this is new, things can be better, and I personally don't want to see the site become reddit 2.0 just because there's been a big influx of users after the blackout started. You're entitled to want kbin.social to become something else, of course, and that's arguably what the voting system is there for.

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I understand what you're saying, but at the time, would you have rather I replied to each of the comments with 'I disagree', 'I don't like this', etc? That's just opening things up for unnecessary arguments that end up taking over a whole thread, which is sort of what's happening now.

Long and short term, which features would you like to see implemented?

For me flair is probably the most important. I follow a lot of organized sports and being able to quickly identify which team someone supports helps the conversation move along without having to write "as a fan of..." in every single comment. And this isn't a like talking shit, sports guy thing. It's genuinely extremely useful...

Cavalarrr,
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With regards to notifications, you may just need to enable them in your profile.
Hover your username > Settings > General, if you're on mobile, they're at the bottom of the page and you can opt in to whatever you want to be notified for.

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Can we get a consensus for the nomenclature of kbin users like “Redditor”? How about “kbinaut”?

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@watchdog Is there really anything wrong with 'users'? Especially when half the point of federated instances is that you're going to be interacting with people that aren't on a server called the same thing as yours, nevermind even using the same backend. E.g. fedia.io is called fedia.io, but it's still using kbin. Do they want to be called 'kbinauts'? No one using a Lemmy-based instance is going to refer to themselves as a 'kbinaut'.

Dear pre-migration Keebinetters, how can we NOT ruin kbin for you?

As a former redditor I am glad to have found a new "home" and I hope I'm not intruding. Nevertheless, we are all a huge migration that is bound to change how kbin works and we're bound to piss off some pre-migration Keebinetters. The fact you guys were here before and not in reddit makes evident you don't want this to become a...

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Interesting, I thought it was just an abbreviation of the original Polish site, karab.in (which would also explain why 'subreddits' are called magazines, karabin = rifle). Either way, that's pretty seamless inspiration.

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Slightly off topic, but why are we saying 'kee'binetters? Where is the 'kee' in kbin?

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We've all missed the memo, I just found out it's officially the kawaii boys international network.

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There's being silly and having a good time, and then there's racing to the bottom in an attempt to artificially inflate your Internet points with unfunny copy pasted jokes, at the expense of any meaningful discussion.
Unfortunately once a subreddit hit it's critical mass, that's pretty much all you could expect from the top comments of any given post.

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"I choose this guys dead wife".
"He did nazi that coming".
"insert any song lyrics here, see 50 child comments typing out the rest one line at a time using increasing amounts of caps lock and exclamation marks".

Please no.

Cavalarrr,
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It's still far from good, but it seems a lot better now than it did a few hours ago, hopefully things continue improving, and it hasn't scared too many refugees off the concept of kbin / fedi servers entirely.

Cavalarrr,
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Unfortunately it's not just you, no. Now the subreddit blackout is in full swing, even more people have fled here, and the servers just can't cope.
I believe @ernest is planning on upgrading the server further, but is limited on how many times it can be changed in a week (sign ups have gone that crazy). It might also be the Cloudflare implementation is still struggling, as even they're having issues that completely took down multiple sites, including reddit, earlier.

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Hear hear!
I never really contributed much to reddit, as usually you had the people that perpetually watched twitter / news sources / new reddit posts getting in first, to the point where there wasn't a whole lot of point getting involved outside of voting, because someone else has already said whatever you were about to.
Here though, I'm itching to contribute and get the ball rolling on magazines. Just a shame the performance issues are hampering that, haha!

Cavalarrr,
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Hopefully someone can create something like this for kbin instances. I would say all federated 'groups' but I'm currently not sure how that would work with things like Mastodon.
I imagine in the future, we'll etiher have better built-in discoverability or a site that includes the whole of whatever ends up being the biggest aggregator platforms.

Thanks for the link!

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I feel like the people who are most passionate about this issue are the ones that were most active in posting (quality content, not Facebook tier memes), and they're the ones most likely to move. Reddit can survive on a casual audience, but if the 'experts' ditch reddit, the content quality is going to nosedive further than it ever has, until it's basically TikTok with links.
I've seen a lot of talk of people nuking their accounts, which is both the best and worst thing they can do. Quality posts / comments disappear, and there's no one around to replace them. Lack of said knowledge then makes people look elsewhere, be that here or the other next big thing, whatever that may be. Yeah, yeah, everything's probably archived somewhere, but the days of 'search term site:reddit.com' may be going away, and I'm sure that drives a decent amount of traffic.

Edit to add: It's damn hot here, and I've basically talked around the point I was trying to make; I think reddit leadership is making stupid ass decisions, but I don't think they're stupid enough to call anyone they're driving away freeloaders. The site would be nothing without the people that contributed quality content for years, and these moves are only driving those people away, in turn killing the volume of new quality content. They may make money short term, but I can't personally see the site going another 18 years, not without it being a total husk of it's former self.

OC How did you end up finding kbin? Did you migrate here from Reddit?

I was initially introduced to Mastodon a few years ago by a close friend and picked up on it quickly given the benefits of not having to deal with advertising, or being shown what a mega-corporation thought I should have to see through algorithms. I have since found a great instance over on cupoftea.social that promotes quality...

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Like many, I started looking at alternatives due to the API debacle, especially when my favourite app (long live Sync), also announced its shutdown.
I'd already heard of Lemmy a while back, but didn't really look too much into the whole federation thing. Saw Kbin recommended, along with some detractors of Lemmy, but checked both out anyway. I was never big into Twitter / microblogging, but the fact that Kbin integrates it together with bigger long form posts is really cool, in my opinion, so I'm sticking it out here (never mind that we can interact with Lemmy instances anyway!)

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