rysiek

rysiek, 6 days ago

@adamczyk o masz, to teraz muszę posłuchać Toola, dawno nie było grane.

rysiek, 6 days ago

@mekkaokereke 👏 👏 👏

rysiek, 6 days ago (edited 6 days ago)

For example, in Poland gas and coal went down from providing 70% of all power generation capacity in 2021 to 52% today:
https://transparency.entsoe.eu/generation/r2/installedGenerationCapacityAggregation/show?name=&defaultValue=false&viewType=TABLE&areaType=BZN&atch=false&dateTime.dateTime=01.01.2021+00:00%7CUTC%7CYEAR&dateTime.endDateTime=01.01.2025+00:00%7CUTC%7CYEAR&area.values=CTY%7C10YPL-AREA-----S!BZN%7C10YPL-AREA-----S&productionType.values=B01&productionType.values=B02&productionType.values=B03&productionType.values=B04&productionType.values=B05&productionType.values=B06&productionType.values=B07&productionType.values=B08&productionType.values=B09&productionType.values=B10&productionType.values=B11&productionType.values=B12&productionType.values=B13&productionType.values=B14&productionType.values=B20&productionType.values=B15&productionType.values=B16&productionType.values=B17&productionType.values=B18&productionType.values=B19

Which is great, but… in absolute terms, the generation capacity of these coal and gas plants actually slightly increased, from 31.3GW to 31.6GW.

👉 So we're pumping more CO2 into the air, even though the share of coal and gas power went down 18%.

That's what I'm talking about. That's not going to allow us to avoid the climate catastrophe.

🧵

rysiek, 6 days ago

Also, when Google says it's been running "entirely on green power", do they actually mean that all the power they are using has been physically generated from renewables?

Or did they just buy some carbon offsets and called it a day? 👀

Again, what matters is how much CO2 gets actually pumped into the air.

Not what a shady startup somewhere pinky-promised that maybe one day they could remove, or their forest – currently in the form of seedlings – will sequester:
https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/50689/

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rysiek, 6 days ago

@alcinnz yeah, having worked at a (tiny) data center, I had the pleasure of watching diesel generators take over when mains failed once or twice.

Honestly, I don't mind the emergency diesel power. It's emergency, it barely ever runs, it's a tiny drop in the ocean, all told.

What I do mind very much is the sleight of hand around carbon offsets, and pretending that simply adding green capacity is the same as replacing dirty capacity with it.

rysiek, 6 days ago

@mycorrhiza I literally made that point earlier in the thread you are responding to. :blobcatcoffee:

rysiek, 5 days ago

@mycorrhiza no harm done. Glad to be on the same page indeed. :blobcatfingerguns:

rysiek, 5 days ago

@runewake2 two posts down that thread…

rysiek, 6 days ago

@noodlemaz the image description contains the name of the presumed artist: "Vincent Millet Gravion".

I did find some "Vincent Millets" online. But upon closer inspection it does seem sus.

I also looked through the profile and at least some of the photos and some descriptions seem generated indeed.

Thanks for the call-out!

@nature

rysiek, 6 days ago

@jay_chi I definitely do not agree here.

This smells of the naïve "we can all become billionaires and exploit everyone else" mindset that is holding back any serious labor-supporting regulations.

I am so done with this kind of capitalist bull.

rysiek, 6 days ago

@LouisIngenthron sure, perhaps. But then it is not my job to figure this out, it's literally theirs. That is what they are being paid for. To manage.

And the more pressure from the bottom, the more likely payroll gets un-frozen.

And who knows, maybe the manager also notices how crappy this is and joins themself? That would be swell!

rysiek, 7 days ago

@rail_ one can dream, but I think hype cycles are unlikely to be ethical.

rysiek, 7 days ago

@datarama oh, even the owning class might slowly be noticing that the hype is, well, hype.

And this is an opportunity for everyone else, too!

Plenty of suddenly unemployed talent, up until recently working for Big Tech, is available and probably pretty angry at their old employers.

Plenty of incumbent products that got enshittified beyond the point of usefulness — can't wait for new search engines, for example!

Might be easier to build them now, with that talent on the market… :ablobwink:

rysiek, 7 days ago

@datarama oh certainly.

rysiek, 7 days ago

@tadzik well first of all:

> Note: This app is deprecated and no longer being maintained. Its successor is https://github.com/nextcloud/llm2

Secondly, it mentions it can use Llama, but also mentions that "the training data is freely available". I doubt both of these can be true. Unless I missed something major, Llama training data have not been released by Meta.

rysiek, 7 days ago

@tadzik the "llm2" Readme sends me to the Admin docs:
https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/latest/admin_manual/ai/overview.html

There they mention models like "text2image_stablediffusion2". So this applies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stable_Diffusion#Training_data
> An investigation by Bayerischer Rundfunk showed that LAION's datasets, hosted on Hugging Face, contain large amounts of private and sensitive data.

rysiek, 7 days ago

@viktor right, thank you for responding!

The thing I am confused about, I guess, is the messaging around the "AI" assistant being the "centerpiece" of Nc Hub 8. What I understand from what you said and what I found in the docs, the Assistant requires some model to be available. Is there a model distributed with Nextcloud for that purpose?

@tfiebig @nextcloud

rysiek, 7 days ago

@vt52 I would disagree on the transparency there. One of the points of the ethical assessment is:

> Is the training data available and free to use?

Consider how StackOverflow is basically arguing that the stuff people wrote on the site is "free to use" (as it is on a CC By-SA license), but the community outcry seems to suggest that they are not exactly on board with that interpretation.

LocalAI gets a Green rating, for example. But I cannot find info on the training data… 👀

@nextcloud

rysiek, 7 days ago

@vt52 also, there are multiple lawsuits currently that focus on the copyright question. If they go a particular way, it might potentially mean that:

1. AI models are derivative works of the training data they are trained on.

2. Anything done with the input from these AI models are in turn derivative works of these models.

IOW, if works licensed under CC By-SA (Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons) are in the training corpus, suddenly anything created with these models might be CC By-SA.

@nextcloud

rysiek, 7 days ago

@vt52 so, while CC By-SA works are free to use, the licensing terms are crucially important. This is in no way captured by the "Ethical AI Rating".

It also does not capture at all the labor issues around training of LLMs. Who tagged and categorized the data? We know how that works in the BIg Tech space:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/16/techscape-ai-gadgest-humane-ai-pin-chatgpt

@nextcloud

rysiek, 7 days ago

@vt52 and finally: does "Red" mean "unethical" and "Green" – "ethical"?

If yes, that would mean that @nextcloud is facilitating use of tech they themselves consider unethical.

If not, then why is this called "Ethical AI rating" in the first place?..

rysiek, 7 days ago

@maltimore yes, that was a huge scandal here last year. I believe that is now fixed though, at least partially.

@szakib