anthropy,
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I just had to upload this myself so I could pin it.

I think it's a really important message beyond just the fact that computers and networks are an amazing gift to society, I think it's equally or more important to note that conformity is a curse.

We should all be able to have our own opinions and ways to view the world, without being resented for it, without being cast out for it.

It's diversity and inclusion that make this world a greater place; not some narrative that disagreement is wrong

We've always had to have conformity with the current view, disagree with the church, and you were punished as a heretic, with the political system as a revolutionary, with the scientific establishment as a charlatan, with the educational system as a failure. If you didn't fit the mould, you were rejected. But, ironically, the latest product of that way of doing things, is a new instrument, a new system, that while it could make conformity more rigid, more totalitarian than ever before in history, it could also blow everything wide open. Because with it, we could operate on the basis that values and standards and ethics and facts and truth all depend on what your view of the world is and that there may be as many views of that as there are people. And with this capable of keeping a tally on those millions of opinions voiced electronically, we might be able to lift the limitations of conforming to any centralised representational form of government, originally invented because there was no way for everybody's voice to be heard. You might be able to give everybody unhindered, untested access to knowledge-- You might with that and much more break the mould that has held us back since the beginning, in a future world [..] [..]An open society, tolerant of every view[..] [...] Utopia? Why? If, as I've said all along, the universe is, at any time, what you say say it is, then say. James Burke, Day the Universe Changed (1985) Play Mute sound Hide video Expand video Full screen

LimyChitou,
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@anthropy conformity is kind of like entropy

anthropy,
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@LimyChitou who you're calling a confirmity :anthropy_explode_clawdore:

LimyChitou,
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@anthropy the trend for a structure to loose... structure

anthropy,
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"Utopia? Why? If, as I've said all along, the universe is, at any time, what you say say it is, then say." -- (James Burke, Day the Universe Changed (1985))

anthropy, (edited )
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for anyone curious, someone uploaded the full series to youtube, here's the full episode and a playlist with the rest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ6XFcrh7IQ&list=PLC_qzc7_G5e2zuyy49oT7R-EoG5pT-I-U&index=1&pp=iAQB

if you want to know the exact moment that fragment above happens, you can find it in the second episode at this timestamp (2467 seconds in): https://youtu.be/Cq1YvlBnubQ?list=PLC_qzc7_G5e2zuyy49oT7R-EoG5pT-I-U&t=2467

gsymon,
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@anthropy

It's an intriguing question and one that I've first began wondering about when the internet first appeared. I saw this when first broadcast. (Good old beeb).

What is different to print/publishing? Who can publish what and why and who reads it? Today, information and what we see, remains largely controlled by those with power (money). So how to ensure that those susceptible to manipulation are not subject to it?

Education (secular) is ultimately what makes a difference.

anthropy,
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@gsymon I'd argue that this has definitely radically changed with the internet; sure, places like Elsevier still hold a lot of the academic articles, but you definitely didn't have a place like Libgen as recent as 30 years ago, or even Wikipedia. And it feels weird to say, but technically speaking I did not finish high school, and here I am explaining everyone how things work at a place like Google-- which isn't to say education isn't valuable, but it definitely isn't everything anymore, either.

gsymon,
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@anthropy

Indeed.

I've always felt for the internet, just as with books, that overall, freely available information will always be a positive and the fact that something like Mein Kampf could be written, published and manage to persuade some people to do bad things, doesn't win the day.

As for education.. I think it needs radical rethinking. Less military, more fun. Kids learn fastest when it's fun.

anthropy,
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@gsymon I very much agree with that sentiment
Aside from the big lack of integration with modern tools and the internet, there is a big hole in education and society in general when it comes to kids; parents throw them to school expecting kids to figure out what they want in life along the way, but personally, I just cannot store information if I don't have a reason to care about it: kids need to figure out what they want, before they'll be motivated to learn how to do it. It's reverse right now

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