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  • kool_newt,

    Yep, there needs to be real consequences. In addition, no member of that board or executive team should be able to act in those positions in any company for like 5 yrs.

    Fades,

    The rich and powerful don’t live by the same set of laws, so there won’t be. Best they can do is a slap on the wrist with no further impact.

    Amazon has remained untouched from their price fixing, AmazonBasic product rip offs, union busting, poor worker conditions, etc.

    This too shall pass uneventfully

    lightnsfw,

    They should be in prison.

    ProdigiousWumpus,

    That would be a very effective way to keep them out of those positions.

    jaybone,

    Can you not be on a company board from prison?

    jaspersgroove,

    Corporation - n.

    An ingenious method for securing individual profit without individual responsibility.

    • Ambrose Bierce, The Devil’s Dictionary
    kool_newt,

    Damn you for being exactly right!

    Whirlybird,

    Where what exactly dissolves the company? They weren’t under investigation, they weren’t restricted from throwing away documents or deleting emails as usual. Had they been under official investigation it would have been illegal.

    Wermhatswormhat,

    Yeah but then how would I be able to get that napkin holder that I ordered in my underwear delivered tomorrow! You don’t understand how much I need this thing right now even though I can’t be bothered to get dressed and drive my ass to the store.

    cmbabul,

    How about if the company is so large and sewn into the fabric of the modern world then instead of dissolving the company it instantly becomes a public utility, turn the shares into treasury bonds, and jail the executives?

    opp,

    I don’t really see any other company building massive warehouses that employs millions of underserved people and providing them with decent paying jobs with good benefits. I don’t think 1.6million Americans should be unemployed because of shady actions of the execs.

    repungnant_canary,

    I don’t think forcing people to work in inhumane conditions while paying them close to nothing, so that they still need to use food stamps, counts as employing. It sounds more like exploiting the most vulnerable people, which have no other employment option, because big monopolies like Amazon killed all the competition

    opp, (edited )

    No one’s forced to work at Amazon. For unskilled uneducated Americans $16 an hour is higher than what you can make in retail or fast food, which are some of the only options left especially for Americans in the rust belt. It’s not monopolies that killed jobs that used to provide livable wages like manufacturing it’s globalization. I’m not mad at your ignorance because I didn’t realize how bad parts of America were until I moved to the rust belt. If you want to blame anyone for the lack of quality employment for undeducated Americans blame the politicians and greedy companies that let high paying jobs go overseas to China and Mexico.

    lmaydev,

    Yeah because Amazon kills off all the competition.

    opp,

    It wasn’t necessarily Amazon that killed of the competition, it’s the tech behind Amazon (e-commerce) that killed retail stores. Just like UBER demolished the taxi industry, just like cars replaced horse carriages, and just like AI’s about to make knowledge workers completely obsolete. Amazon still has a great deal of competition from Walmart, Target, and lots of retailers.

    orcrist,

    Yes but no. E-commerce got rid of many retail jobs. So did WalMart. But Amazon also uses a ton of monopolistic and dirty practices. Amazon is working hard to eliminate the competition, because capitalists would rather control the market than compete.

    opp,

    What monopolistic and dirty practices are you referring to exactly?

    orcrist,

    There are so many things that we could talk about. I think the simplest thing to realize is that Amazon was losing money for years so that they could become the central hub of vast numbers of shoppers and sellers, and after they got control of the market, they had a huge amount of leverage over all of those people. Now they can increase prices and manipulate search results, as recent court cases have shown us. They also do horrible things to their workers, they try to bust unionization, many of their delivery drivers are peeing in plastic bottles because they don’t have time to stop at a public restrooms, the list goes on and on.

    Because it’s such an exhaustive list, and because I don’t think you should take my words at face value, I highly recommend that you read the newspaper. There’s so much great information compiled by people online. When in doubt, start with Cory Doctorow.

    lmaydev,

    They also killed a huge amount of e-commerce sites with their sheer size. This isn’t really about tech more about their monopoly.

    opp,

    Shopify accounts for 1/3 of all e-commerce sales in the US in 2023, and with the rise of way cheaper Chinese alternatives to amazon like shien, Temu, & Alibaba express no one really has a monopolistic control in the e-commerce space.

    zbyte64,
    @zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    It’s a myth that corporations are job creators. Their very premise is that they can do the same job for less because they have fewer labor costs.

    Cethin,

    People are still fling to buy shit. Maybe they have to do it locally instead? Probably some other company would step up to replace their monopoly. It’s only be an improvement.

    opp,

    So we should just make almost 2 million Americans unemployed because some execs shredded some papers. I don’t know if you know anything about retail work, but they pay less than Amazon does, very few actually pay over $15 an hour, Walmart starts you out at $12 an hour.

    Cethin,

    If Amazon were broken up it’d create more jobs. Sure, they may pay less, but Amazon has centralized a lot of work to increase efficiency.

    We shouldn’t break them up just because they shredded some papers. There are many more reasons than that.

    EnderMB,

    Honestly, I don’t think the company needs to be dissolved, but I think that accountability for the law should exist at director level and up. For a company the size of Amazon, that’s probably around 100 people that should face the consequences - and that’s only the retail org.

    The best description of Amazon is that it is a management company. It’s not a retailer, or a tech company. It’s output is its management process, and it’s this that it uses to build products in different markets.

    So, remove the source of those processes. Let people move up to higher roles, and let someone not breaking the law take the senior positions.

    BakedGoods,

    Hold everyone who works at amazon and every shareholder responsible. Because they are.

    oce,
    @oce@jlai.lu avatar

    Are the dudes moving packages in warehouses responsible?

    InputZero,

    Rip her out, root and stem. (Seriously though, the low level labourer isn’t responsible.)

    DeathsEmbrace,

    Everyone leave none untouched. The blades of grass and water too.

    toiletobserver, to news in Seattle Children’s sues Texas AG after request for gender care records

    Dear Texas government,

    Get fucked.

    Kindest regards,

    Washington State Residents

    Ender2k,
    Ender2k avatar

    Really glad to see SCH go to bat here.

    We all have things we can do.

    SuiXi3D,
    SuiXi3D avatar

    Not just the Texas Government, but the AG Ken Paxton in particular. And Gregg Abbott as well.

    BeefPiano, (edited ) to news in ‘Unprecedented’ theft contributed to $112 billion in retail losses last year

    It’s worth noting that when retail sales go up, as they did in 2022, shrink also tends to rise. The average shrink rate in the 2022 fiscal year was 1.6%, up from 1.4% the year before. The latest figure is in line with shrink rates from 2019 and 2020.

    In 2017 shrinkage accounted for $42 Billion, or 1.85%.. First off, that shows how crazy inflation is - $42 Billion was 1.85% then and $113 Billion is 1.6% now.

    The other thing is that in 2017, wage theft accounted for $50 Billion in losses from workers. I would like to see how 2022’s wage theft numbers stack up against the shrinkage numbers.

    Also a reminder that retail is using shoplifting as a propaganda piece with no actual basis in reality.

    ares35,
    ares35 avatar

    wages don't keep pace with inflation, so the difference won't be as dramatic.

    SeaJ,

    Just a correction: wage theft accounted for up to $50 billion in 2014 according to the EPI, not 2017. That would be roughly $65 billion today. Like you, I would also like to see more recent numbers.

    SoylentBlake,

    Idk where or how yr getting 65B

    For simplicity; 40B in 2014 is 120B today. That’s x3. That would out wage theft at 150B.

    Which is far more believable. These mfers are in court in a dozen states over child labor violations, I don’t think they suddenly found a conscious

    SeaJ,

    Inflation has not been 200% over the past 9 years.

    data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=50&year…

    $50 billion in 2014 equates to roughly $65 billion today.

    xmunk, to news in Whistleblower Josh Dean of Boeing supplier Spirit AeroSystems has died

    Someone with a lot of money probably did something extremely heinous… that, or a PR team just landed the absolute worst coincidence.

    Signtist,

    I haven’t heard anyone irl talking about Boeing recently, and barely even saw anything online a week after the initial death. While it pisses me off to no end, this incident will blow over just as easily for Boeing.

    Pronell,

    I doubt that as people are scared to fly in Boeing planes.

    I_Has_A_Hat,

    If you’re in the US, you have very few non-Boeing options. Especially if you’re trying to pick affordable flights.

    Signtist,

    Yeah, if anything, I expect people to book whatever flights they were already going to book, and just crack jokes like “I hope I make it!”

    afraid_of_zombies,

    Tell me about it. I have multiple work trips scheduledthis coming year all involve flying. Hard to find Airbus.

    Norgur, to news in Elderly Alaska man is first reported person to die of recently discovered Alaskapox virus

    This has all the hallmarks of yet another panic-bait-article... One sentence in the whole article renders it completely and utterly irrelevant. About the other cases, the article itself says:

    All had mild cases and recovered without being hospitalized.

    So all that's in this "news report" is that there are diseases that affect animals but not humans which can on occasion jump to humans but usually are pretty harmless then because they are equipped to deal with a cat's immune system, but not with a human immune system. This becomes irrelevant once said human immune system isn't working right.

    This is not "breaking news". There is a loooong and ever changing list of pathogens in exactly this situation and there always will be.

    Kalkaline,
    @Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

    Anyone who’s played Plague Inc knows you can’t make your virus too deadly too quickly or it will burn itself out. Mild symptoms allows it to become a pandemic and then endemic.

    Cheradenine, (edited )

    There is a more complete article in one of the science subs. I’m sorry I can’t find it right now, I believe it is in the last 24 hours or so.

    Your second paragraph sums up what I remember from it though.

    ETA: this post in c/publichealth lemmy.nz/post/6766151

    TheDarksteel94, to news in Taylor Swift launches legal broadside at a college student who tracks private jets via public data

    Lol, I love that article. The author clearly also thinks that Taylor and her goons are full of shit on this one. Like, it’s public information provided by the FAA. Will they sue the FAA then?

    raynethackery,

    Maybe the FAA is unconstitutional.

    doingless,

    Probably all of the letter agencies cross that line.

    raynethackery,

    No, they don’t. They were created by acts of Congress to be run by the Executive branch.

    rockSlayer, to seattle in WA liquor board suspends ‘lewd conduct’ enforcement after LGBTQ+ bar inspections

    This was always going to be the outcome. Next time think before adding discriminatory regulations.

    BloodSlut, to worldnews in Amazon execs destroyed years of evidence before FTC action, agency says

    wow, turns out that telling criminals that youre going to be looking for evidence in a few months isn’t actually a good idea. who could have guessed?

    TheOhNoNotAgain, (edited )

    If you have the list of all documents before and after, you let the defendant do the discovery for you

    massive_bereavement,
    massive_bereavement avatar

    If you have some drugs in your home, police will do a no-knock raid.

    If you steal billions, they let you know months in advance and also adapt to your schedule.

    treefrog, to news in ‘Unprecedented’ theft contributed to $112 billion in retail losses last year

    I haven’t shoplifted since I was a teenager.

    But seeing the price of some of my groceries jump 30-80% compared to pre-Covid makes it fucking tempting.

    SheeEttin,

    All I’m saying is that if I’m doing self-checkout, and something I’m buying is missing its code, it’s probably going to be the cheapest thing I can get to go through.

    eran_morad,

    Bruh, how many bananas do you eat?

    SheeEttin,

    4,011

    FigMcLargeHuge,

    It has the feel of “we are the ones being shoplifted…”

    just_another_person, to technology in Whistleblower Josh Dean of Boeing supplier Spirit AeroSystems has died

    He was 45, had been in good health and was noted for having a healthy lifestyle.

    Looks like Boeing is just taking a page right out of Russians books and doing obvious murders in the open now.

    PerogiBoi,
    @PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

    I wonder if Boeing uses Novichok as well.

    Liz,

    He died from a MRSA infection, which can and does kill people at any stage of life. That shit is everywhere, but whether you get sick or not is kinda a crap shoot.

    just_another_person,

    MRSA is not that common. Most people get it from contact in medical facilities, but some people (very few) do carry it around.

    When someone contracts it and becomes seriously ill, it usually means they weren’t a carrier to begin with, or had an immunodeficiency that allowed the pathogen to overtake an equilibrium with their immune system. They do hardcore contact tracing if someone actually dies from it, and if nobody around this guy had it…quite suspicious. That’s all I’m saying.

    Halcyon, (edited )
    @Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    He was sick in hospital with pneumonia, before he got MRSA though. In hospitals there’s a higher chance to catch MRSA, especially if someone is already weakened by a severe lung infection.

    fatboy93,

    Absolutely, my toddler had MRSA within a few days after he was born and its most likely due to some contamination or something to the effect.

    Hospitals are a severe breeding grounds for resistant bacterial strains via sewage.

    technocrit,

    It’s less of a crap shoot when it’s intentionally used as a weapon.

    cbp.gov/…/natural-enemies-how-cbp-battles-bioterr…

    deranger,

    I’d like one example where MRSA has been used for bioterrorism. Never heard of it when I was a medical lab tech in the military, nor as a medical lab scientist later in my life. Bioterrorism is extremely rare, and MRSA is a poor choice for a biological weapon.

    E. coli O157:H7 would be a better choice, or Vibrio, or really any of the enteric pathogens introduced to food or water supplies.

    uriel238,
    @uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Well, the 1984 bioterror attack associated with the Rajneeshee was done with salmonella. The question this raises is if there are any advantages to cultivating it as an assassin’s weapon.

    I’m not saying I know it is, only that the two associated deaths make for a pretty amazing coincidence.

    deranger,

    Salmonella is not MRSA (methicillin resistant Staphylococcus aureus). The point I was trying to make is Staph isn’t a good bioterrorism agent. It doesn’t spread like weaponized anthrax, it’s not particularly deadly, and it can’t be spread by food/water like the enteric pathogens. It’s just not suitable or we’d have researched the fuck out of it at USAMRIID.

    Capitao_Duarte,

    They seem to have taken a page from Death Note

    rottingleaf,

    Have the obvious suspects been arrested? Eh, I mean, like a few hundreds of people on central roles in a very big company. No.

    ripcord,
    @ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

    Been arrested for giving him pneumonia? Or…?

    SuiXi3D, to news in Supreme Court leaves in place a Texas law requiring pornographic websites to verify users' ages
    @SuiXi3D@fedia.io avatar

    ‘Court allows Texas to ban porn websites’ is closer to the truth. None of them have the ability (or desire) to implement a system to accurately verify anyone’s identity.

    ramble81,

    Suggestions for one on a whole house scale. Ideally I’d love to be able to do some method of split tunneling where I route banned IP ranges over the VPN vs normal traffic over standard routes. I guess I could set up a vpn tunnel on my synology and then add static routes to it on my gateway…

    bamboo,

    Yeah if you’re willing to do some sysadmining, it’s pretty easy to set up any vpn supporting openvpn or wireguard. Set the default route to be over the ISP interface, and then direct a list of known IP ranges over the vpn interface.

    pleasejustdie,

    In uh… unrelated news VPN usage in Texas up almost 300%.

    SuiXi3D,
    @SuiXi3D@fedia.io avatar

    I might’ve recovered my long-standing NordVPN account…

    GraniteM,

    Pornographic DVD and print media sales up a similar amount!

    disguy_ovahea,

    It will become more compelling for them as more states enact similar legislation. The article states that Arkansas, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Oklahoma, Utah and Virginia already have.

    Enabling identification systems for porn websites will lead to a massive privacy concern. It’s only a matter of time until one has its user database hacked.

    lepinkainen,

    The states will only need to implement a properly verifiable online ID system first.

    sylver_dragon,

    It’s only a matter of time until one has its user database hacked.

    Not exactly porn, but the Ashley Madison data breach was in the same zip code. It caused a lot of embarrassment for a lot of people. But, self righteous prudes will be self righteous prudes, not matter what they are trying to limit/ban.

    disguy_ovahea,

    I remember that. It ended a lot of marriages. Y’know, you’d think the repressed and closeted Christians would care more about the privacy of the porn they watch.

    sylver_dragon,

    What they think/fear privately doesn’t matter, Evangelical Christianity is a performative religion. The entire goal is to appear to be the most pious prig on the block. What you get up to, behind closed doors, doesn’t matter, unless you get caught. And no one believes that they will get caught. So, the religion devolves into a game of “one-ups-man-ship”. With each one trying to prove how “holy” they are by claiming ever higher standards of “holy”, while basically none of them live up to the ideal they are putting forth. When a member’s discretions get exposed, they then have to engage in a ritual “purification”, claiming how bad they were, that they have learned the error of their ways and now they have found God again (he got lost behind the dryer with the socks). And all will be forgiven, so long as you do not question the delusion religion.

    Dubiousx99, to usa in The WA GOP put it in writing that they’re not into democracy

    The 17th amendment tells them to eat shit. Not sure how they plan to write that legislation so it won’t be found unconstitutional.

    Jimmyeatsausage,

    They really just need stall it getting overturned in coirt u til the next election. After that, it’s too late.

    gAlienLifeform,
    @gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

    Maybe they will try to take control of the courts first

    Zombiepirate, to usa in The WA GOP put it in writing that they’re not into democracy
    @Zombiepirate@lemmy.world avatar

    It must be exhausting to be a conservative.

    A republic is a type of democracy.

    So it’s really really stupid to be shitting on democracy if you want a republic.

    But they don’t actually want a republic; they want an oligarchy in which society is reordered back into the hierarchies where they were unquestionably on top.

    I’m so goddamn sick of the pseudo-intellectual talk-radio drivel spewed by brainwormed self-serving reactionaries being treated like it has any merit whatsoever (not by this article, just in general).

    Anticorp, (edited )

    It’s exhausting just being a person now. Every single politician, every single company, in every single country, is fully dedicated to stripping out the good things in the systems we were born into, all for their personal gain.

    I make an exception to the statement above for Bernie Sanders. He actually cares about the people and the country, and someone recently burned his office down because of it.

    nahuse,

    It would be exhausting if many people put effort into their gymnastics. Unfortunately I think most people just like being told how to think. Following is pretty easy, usually.

    jjjalljs,

    It brings to mind that popular post that said conservatism has one value: there must be in groups the law protects but does not bind, and outgroups that the law binds but does not protect.

    Everything else is just trying to dress that up.

    teft, to usa in The WA GOP put it in writing that they’re not into democracy
    @teft@lemmy.world avatar

    “Every time the word ‘democracy’ is used favorably it serves to promote the principles of the Democratic Party, the principles of which we ardently oppose.”

    That is some Olympic Games level mental gymnastics right there.

    BakerBagel,

    I’m pretty sure thats exactly the intent behind all these chuds blathering on about “um, akshually we have a Republic and not a democracy” are actually trying ti accomplish. Imagine some Brit arguing that they have a King and not a monarch 200 years ago.

    Dkarma,

    Every government is a republic…

    BakerBagel,

    That’s absolutely not true. The Middle East is loaded with countries that dont even pretend to be republics like Kuwait, Qatat, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE.

    gAlienLifeform,
    @gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

    Also, the UK isn’t a republic

    feddylemmy,

    I wonder if they would freak out if glue instructions said “apply liberally”.

    pingveno,

    So much of modern conservatism/Republicanism in the US is pure reactionary, “own the libs” thinking. If Democrats wanted to pass a resolution stating “puppies and kittens are cute,” they would be opposed merely on principle.

    Jaysyn, to usa in The WA GOP put it in writing that they’re not into democracy
    Jaysyn avatar

    Get fucked. The won't even be a national party by 2028.

    And the faster they die, like the Know-Nothings they've been emulating, the better.

    disguy_ovahea,

    You say that, but there are a lot of liberals that think abstaining or voting third-party will do anything other than get Trump back in office.

    MegaUltraChicken,

    And there’s an absolute firehouse of propaganda to make them think that way too. It’s exhausting.

    disguy_ovahea,

    I try my best to substantiate the truth by linking credible sources in hopes it’ll help when people start slinging opinions as facts.

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