It’s also why so many people latched onto The Orville.
People like to say that TOS was a product of its time, but thematically it reached for the absolute stratosphere. DIS just basically played our own paranoid dysfunction in a new setting. Hell, chunks of it felt like 24 in spaaaace
The Orville geeks me out, because all the ads play it up as “FAMILY GUYYYYYYY IINNNNN SPPPAACCCEEEE” and I whole heartedly believe that’s how he pitched it to make it happen -
And then it was one big bait n switch, “HAHA actually I’m just a nerd and wanted to make a good scifi show suck it Fox!”
That’s actually how he did it. That’s why the first couple eps are kinda meh, then BOOM if the stars should appear, pria, krill, what the fuck just happened???
This is 100% the fault of the studio execs who don’t want their employees to have a fair wage. I can wait for my Star Trek if it means upholding the ideals that Trek stands for.
Star Trek is basically only available via streaming platforms or piracy these days.
One of the reasons studios have enjoyed such great profits on the move to streaming is because the contracts for the writers and actors cause them to get paid way, way, way less for a streamed show than with regular syndication.
Meaning the people making Star Trek are some of the ones who stand to gain the absolute most from the outcome of this strike. All power to them.
The third season only worked because they damn well knew bringing back as many of the old actors will help. Salvaging what was left of Season 02 without touching any of it. Same as with Season 01.
I gave up watching Picard at the end of Season 1 after
spoilerthey kill Picard and replace him with an android.
If it’s not actually Jean-Luc, I’m not interested. And I’m definitely not interested in returning to Picard’s universe with all of those boring ass characters if it means that they’ll do another time-travel plotline to save his life. Yawn.
Season 1 and 2 sucked ass, but season 3 is actually pretty great and you can watch it as a stand alone without really needing to watch the previous 2 seasons.
I strongly disagree. It had promise, but was ultimately very stupid. The entire show uses “Borg” as an excuse to explain away ridiculous concepts that are far-fetched and more akin to magic than technology.
Season 1 was such absolute dog shit. The orbital defense flowers, “JL” etc… but yeah, S3 feels like Kurtzman got kicked in the sack and someone else made Picard. I recommend watching S3 and forgetting the other two were ever made.
Also in S1 Jean Luc Picard picked a bar fight. The person that had his dick dragged through a mile of broken glass getting killed by a Nossican over and over in a bar fight, went to pick a bar fight. What was that show?
Picard had a lot of promise, and they almost got it, but overall it was trash IMO. More Star Wars and hand waiving than Trek. It was a beautifully made universe, the SFX were superb, but they seemed to spent all their time and money on that, and none on dialogue or character consistency. Picard is nothing of his former self. He spends three seasons whining and complaining rather than commanding. The writers invent a traumatic backstory for him, depicting his authoritative personality as a character flaw as a result of trauma, rather than a strength of character. I rather disliked what they did to him.
TBH, i never seem to like anything thats made after Voyager or Nemesis. And i understand it, the new movies and new series are made for a different (broader) audience, so it needs splendor and lots of shooting, but to me thats not what Star Trek was about.
Ive always hoped they’d make a serie with the USS Prometheus, but alas! I’ll just keep rewatching Voyager and DS9 untill i die, i guess.
@c10l@johannes idk, Picard S3 ends the same way as Prodigy S1, and Prodigy does it better IMO.
Discovery started well and got boring by always doing the "galaxy ending thing only us have detected and can solve (something picard does too, but not as many times in a row at least).
All of the arguments I see for Discovery are based on representation and that’s literally the only thing the show got right. It’s like yeah, it’s great to have a diverse cast… I just wish they were on screen doing something good. Trek lives and dies in the writing, all the acting, effects, and out of universe concerns won’t save it from absolutely horrendous writing.
If they’d have done SNW style plots with DSC cast, it would have been amazing from the beginning.
I‘d say Discovery has its moments (aka those including Jason Isaacs or Anson Mount) but yea, the Series as a whole is rather bad with an annoying as fuck main character…
I prefer to think that Picard is just still stuck in the Nexus and everything that has happened to him since has been a result of magic Nexus fever dreams.
Movie Picard and PIC Picard acted nothing like TNG Picard to the point where they were seemingly completely different people. Movie Picard wanted to make the Borg pay for what they did and literally beat in dead Borg with his fists and snapped the Borg queen’s spine in two with his bare hands while TNG Picard knew things weren’t that cut and dry and even had an opportunity to potentially genocide the works of them and didn’t because ethics and shit. Movie Picard would have drove Hugh up to their doorstep infected with the fractal virus the first chance he had.
PIC Picard… is literally an android I guess? But still old? They kind of ignored that later. So, literally he isn’t the same Picard as TNG Picard.
I… Don’t hate this. He meets Kirk too, which could be captain wish fulfillment. After his nephew is killed in such a stupid way he just exits reality and never returns.
First Contact, like you said, is revenge on the Borg and saving Earth.
Insurrection is then him inventing the perfect woman to save and finding the fountain of youth.
Nemesis he fights an evil, young version of himself, which has gotta be worth a few years of therapy.
Quentin and I went back and forth, he was gonna do some stuff on it, and then he started worrying about the number, his kind of unofficial number of films. I remember we were talking, and he goes, ‘If I can just wrap my head around the idea that Star Trek could be my last movie, the last thing I ever do. Is this how I want to end it?’ And I think that was the bump he could never get across, so the script is still sitting there on his desk.
tarantino couldnt fit it into hit list of 10 movies he ever wanted to make
I love Star Trek Lower Decks but it's really clear lately that the assholes at the top (of all profit oriented entertainment megacorps) don't give a shit what the users want. Only a new user is important as that increases cash flow, the idiots who are already paying are at their whims.
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