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drq, (edited ) Russian
@drq@mastodon.ml avatar

Happy Birthday, Fediverse!

May you live long and prosper!

ZySoua,
@ZySoua@mastodon.ml avatar
drq, Russian
@drq@mastodon.ml avatar

The Fediverse is turning 16 in 2 days.

This is fucking nuts, if you ask me.

#fedi16 #fediverse16 #FediverseMeta

doomsdayrs,
@doomsdayrs@cyberpunk.lol avatar

@drq how do you feel as a senior citizen?

drq,
@drq@mastodon.ml avatar
byte,
@byte@awawa.club avatar

I finally caught the idea why fedi feels superior to other platforms (besides the obvious) - reacts.

where did you see a dislike button last time? i only see it on stackexchange where it serves only functional purposes and disqus where it serves only social purposes.

here we have a bunch of conditionally negative reacts and full freedom of expression. my favs are woozy cats and wrenches. they also can be completely ironic, can you imagine an ironic dislike button? i certainly can't

platforms with only likes absolutely suck. fuck you for your "positive engagement" farming, my people need TOOLS to express ourselves, we need WRENCHES 🔧🔧🔧

(?)

philpem,
@philpem@digipres.club avatar

Normalise commenting on the last boost and including the link to the last boost in your toot

philpem,
@philpem@digipres.club avatar

@forza4galicia People often boost it, then toot "LB: <thing I have to add> and then you have to dig through their profile to find the last boost before the toot.

forza4galicia,
@forza4galicia@digipres.club avatar
hrefna,
@hrefna@hachyderm.io avatar

Tell me you know absolutely nothing about system design without saying you know absolutely nothing about system design.

Or software architecture, for that matter.

hrefna,
@hrefna@hachyderm.io avatar

You can be upset about something or not like something without:

  1. It being Problematic™
  2. Vilifying those who have come to different conclusions or who weigh priorities differently
  3. Making up things that aren't true or creating distortions to support your argument
  4. Harassing those who disagree
  5. Borrowing from other concerns where the concern is true, but unrelated to what you are concerned about
  6. There even being a reason at all

You can just not like it. It's okay.

hrefna,
@hrefna@hachyderm.io avatar

@argv_minus_one They also do it as a way to convince people, including sometimes themselves, that it is "okay" to not like something.

Someone has a squick and rather than acknowledge that "this is a squick and I should just put filters in place" they try to find a way to make it Problematic™ and blame others for their feelings, because then it is "okay" for them to hate it and demand that others remove it.

It's the dance of "someone (who is not me) should be protecting me."

driftini,
@driftini@wetdry.world avatar

so misskey.io announced they're introducing a temporary measure against the spambots by ignoring all posts, boosts, replies and whatnot from other instances, UNLESS a user from a different instance is followed by someone on misskey.io

if you wanna maintain communication with misskey.io's users you should make an account from there and follow your main that is on another instance (the announcement itself recommends this method)

boost to let as many people know or something

#fedimeta

experiencer,
@experiencer@lethallava.land avatar

@driftini never really interacted with that server but some of my followers on @splatoon are on that server so those posts will appear there I guess

driftini,
@driftini@wetdry.world avatar

@experiencer yeah they should

lea,
@lea@ordinary.cafe avatar

I'm (not) sorry if this sounds like gatekeeping, but if you aren't technical enough and/or don't have the time to administrate an instance properly, please do not host a fediverse server. At the very least, don't allow open registrations or keep it single-user.

I've seen users losing their entire social graph due to instances randomly shutting down or losing their data, which is unfair to those users and paints a negative light of fediverse. And now, we're seeing the entire fediverse bogged down with spam because of instances that fail to mitigate bots, affecting the experience of everyone else.

In a related light, it's concerning how a small group of actors (at least based on our internal intelligence) can degrade the experience of the fediverse this effectively. It signals that we have a have a long ways to go in terms of the technologies, strategies, and tools we use to mitigate bad actors in the fediverse. What we currently have isn't enough for a resilient fediverse.

#fediadmin #fediadmins #fedimeta

BrodieOnLinux,
@BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online avatar

@lea For personal instances go and deploy unstable git commits or patches you wrote yourself for all I care but I agree, as soon as you start publically accepting users you need to be a bit more careful. I will make an exception for private signups where an instance exists for the purpose of general testing.

serge,
@serge@babka.social avatar

I'm so tired of the idea that people we listen to have to:

a) Have opinions on every topic (especially those outside their expertise)
b) Opine those opinions publicly or else be accused of participation in whatever someone doesn't like
c) Parrot exactly what someone else already believes or be accused of being a plant for, not just the other side, but the furthest extreme of the other side

This is not how human beings work.

People may not have well considered opinions on all topics- I certainly don't.

People may choose to stay out of a conversation for a myriad of reasons.

People may have opinions that are right in some areas and wrong in others.

We need to get away from the idea of someone not fitting a mold exactly as a moral failure. It's not a moral failure to be a person.

#FediverseMeta #SocialMedia #SocialCommentary

feld,
@feld@bikeshed.party avatar

@serge these people are the roadside IEDs on the highway to information. You can do your best to avoid them but you're probably still gonna take some shrapnel from being in their vicinity.

serge,
@serge@babka.social avatar

@emmaaum

Yes.

It may be that, or a different prioritization, or lots of things.

And it's tricky when it's really core stuff to you- I certainly have my core issues. But we can't be entirely consumed with demanding complete agreement. It's harmful to ourselves, to others, and society.

kagan,
@kagan@wandering.shop avatar

Some people seem to think that maybe on the Fediverse, Threads will engage in reasonable moderation, or generally behave like a decent company. This despite the fact they've engaged in so much evil that's been amply documented.

Don't fall for it! Why would they change now?

#FediverseMeta #Threads #Facebook #FacebookMeta

serge,
@serge@babka.social avatar

Would Fediverse admins like a presentation by Babka folks on antisemitism on the Fediverse, specifically what mainstream Jews/Jewish organizations consider hate speech and why?

If you're an instance admin or a moderator and you'd be interested, I'd like to hear from you. If there's enough interest, I'll put together a signup, but this is just a feeler for now.

If you're interested, please reply or DM me, thanks!

If you're not an admin, please boost or let your admin know about this! Thanks!

serge,
@serge@babka.social avatar

@dnddeutsch

no update yet. But everyone who expressed interest is on a list. I"m just physically and emotionally worn out.

dnddeutsch,
@dnddeutsch@pnpde.social avatar

@serge That is absolutely understandable. Thank you for your answer and take good care of yourself!

maxine,

i hit a new milestone today :3c

hrefna,
@hrefna@hachyderm.io avatar

As a server admin, what are the things you would like to know before applying a domain block (and/or a ), or what kinds of steps would you like to perform?

Some of my thoughts:

  1. How many people would be impacted on our server and theirs?
  2. How significant the impact would be for those impacted?
  3. Is the domain actually alive still?

What else?

kikobar,
@kikobar@acc4e.com avatar

@hrefna blocking a domain is a nuclear option IMHO.

Mostly applicable when the sole purpose of the instance and its administrators is to harass people, spread spam and nonsense and harbour criminal activities.

In any other case, even if the admins are not very responsive to requests of moderation of some of their users, we can still get away by just blocking some individual accounts.

Actually, I think it is more related to how much work is going to take from us as admins to deal with their users than any other thing. 🤔

@mekkaokereke

oblomov,
@oblomov@sociale.network avatar

@hrefna those first two are really important. In general, feeling the pulse of the community concerning the block would be what makes the difference between an admin that does things "by themselves” and those that really act as stewards for their community.

sandy,
@sandy@tooters.org avatar

I didn’t understand why I would keep seeing toots from Ro in my timeline since we have him defederated. It is because people on FireFish and Akkoma and all that can quote toots which makes it show up as a link to a website on Ivory. So then I added a keyword mute for ubiqueros and like magic they are gone now. Whoop whoop!!

But someone needs to throw him a life raft for real he is drowning in his own ego over there. :neocat_shocked:

sandy,
@sandy@tooters.org avatar

@victor naw I’m just speaking the truth :ms_100_bisexual:

sandy,
@sandy@tooters.org avatar

If you throw a blanket over a million people by saying MOST of fedi is bigots you are part of the problem.

I am a POC just like you are.

This is not a point for debate.

:subtoot:

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@sandy But I guess some folks rather want to live in their fantasies instead of facing the facts...
https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/111256851623738917

sandy,
@sandy@tooters.org avatar

@victor :ablobcatbongoangry: I should not have said anything and we have his instance suspended but people on FireFish can quote toots and that’s why it was in my feed. So of course I can’t help myself and I read more of his toots. He is a grifter and a transphobe!! We need to create an honest alternative to his blocklist site. He fights people saying that he doesn’t add instances to the list but all of his trusted sources are bigot friends of his.

studiofox,
@studiofox@tooters.org avatar

Apparently there’s more drama? Y’all gotta stop giving them that much power over your lives. They’re sad little dictators with servers not, like, someone or something cool. but also fuck .art

milquetoast,
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studiofox,
@studiofox@tooters.org avatar

@victor the qualifier here is “sad little dictator” that makes anything attached to it uncool! Your totes cool!!!! :tim_cook_F1:

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