atomicpoet,

Just bought the domain notmeta.social.

It will likely run as a server.

As the domain implies, it will not federate with .

atomicpoet,

A few people might be wondering why I'm creating a server that expressly doesn't federate with .

It's because I personally do not like Meta, and I would like there to be a space that's free of Meta. Again, I'm not saying anyone is a bad person should they federate with Meta. On certain lobby servers I run, I will federate with them.

But I also think it's important for people to have a choice on whether or not they connect with Meta. For this reason, I'd like to offer a "not Meta" choice with notmeta.social.

mark,

@atomicpoet I really like that you're not religious about this. You're in favour of creating spaces that work for users and recognise that different users have different needs, values, and desires.

bjornqc,

@atomicpoet
Where do I sign up?

atomicpoet,

@bjornqc Not ready yet. I literally just bought the domain today. Will give updates for when it's available.

FlockOfCats,
@FlockOfCats@famichiki.jp avatar

@atomicpoet

To be honest, in the long haul, I think it would better to have a name that defines what you are for, rather than what you are against.

For example, I chose my server because I am pro-convenience store fried chicken.

atomicpoet,

Practically speaking, notmeta.social will need to federate with servers that federate with Meta -- but not Meta.

Why is that?

So that people on Meta-federated servers can easily migrate their accounts to notmeta.social. You see, if we don't federate with those servers, account migration won't be possible. And I want to make it easy for people to migrate over to a server that doesn't federate with Meta.

Nevertheless, notmeta.social will not federate with any Meta-owned servers.

Sh4d0w_H34rt,
@Sh4d0w_H34rt@mstdn.social avatar

@atomicpoet from a user perspective when interacting with Meta connected accounts and instances there should be some form of warning.

tehstu,
@tehstu@hachyderm.io avatar

@atomicpoet Do you have a primer for how Meta might bring about EEE? I keep seeing it thrown around, in a purely hypothetical sense, but not actual, potential outcomes. I'd rather be rational about what to expect.

Leaning on W3C to bend ActivityPub to their advantage? Becoming effectively the singular AP instance and, once enough buy in exists, turn off federation? I can't see it just looking to hoover data,anyone can crawl public posts right now.

atomicpoet,

@tehstu I don't see anyone suggesting actual ways that Meta will surely EEE -- in any surefire measurable way -- the Fediverse.

But I can say that the "extinguish" part of EEE has almost never worked.

jovikowi,

@atomicpoet @tehstu

Uh, I disagree. EEE was a quite successful strategy for Microsoft for a very long time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

atomicpoet, (edited )

@jovikowi @tehstu I looked at all the examples, and none of them ultimately worked. Most people don’t use a Microsoft browser. There’s more office document compatibility now than there was 20 years ago. Microsoft failed to corner the server market.

jovikowi,

@atomicpoet @tehstu

It's late, my brain is tired. I really don't want to argue, especially with you. Especially with you.

So I deleted my next paragraph and will skip ahead to the good stuff...

I'm delighted with the clever and compassionate solution that you've come up with, and that you've been so quick to make it happen. Thank you so very much!

HistoPol,
@HistoPol@mastodon.social avatar

@atomicpoet

That sounds very reasonable.
Sounds sort of like a . 😀
Do you have some more background information on this project?

chris,
@chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca avatar

@atomicpoet I’m thinking there should also be “dumpZuck.social” just to.. you know.. encourage movement. 😹

atomicpoet,

@chris I think we need two approaches:

  1. Lobby servers that explicitly federate with Meta for the purposes of moving people from Meta to the rest of the Fediverse
  2. Exit servers that explicitly defederate with Meta for the purposes of keeping portions of the Fediverse out of reach from Meta

Both types of servers have merit.

Both approaches have merit.

jrm4,

@atomicpoet @chris

I support this, strongly.

I've said this a bunch elsewhere, and others may disagree -- the best and highest purpose of the Mastodon protocol really is to make ONE BIG UNIVERSAL FEDERATED space (that isn't owned and doesn't suck), not to create a bunch of little deals, which can be done by other tools.

isomeme,
@isomeme@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@atomicpoet @chris

So essentially a DMZ approach. I like it in concept. Of course, the question is why anyone would move from Meta to a DMZ server. If you don't mind Meta being around, it's far more convenient to stay on Meta. And if you want to avoid Meta, moving from Meta to the DMZ doesn't improve anything.

atomicpoet,

@isomeme @chris People change their minds. We should allow for that to happen.

chris,
@chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca avatar

@atomicpoet @isomeme options are what make the Fediverse interesting and making those options explicit and purposeful can help move people too, even if it is just a temporary stopping place. What we REALLY need in order for this to be as convenient as we are imagining is full profile/follower/following portability between servers.

kjr,

@atomicpoet maybe is a good approach... what is the difference between doing that or continuing in the actual server but blocking meta as a user?

shadowtux,

@atomicpoet Wouldn't be more suitable for that name? 😄 🤔 Although I get why you'd choose Calckey.

atomicpoet,

@shadowtux I know there will be people who want a server that expressly doesn't federate with Meta. Which is what I will give them.

ArtBear,

@atomicpoet
Maybe also buy the domain
escapeMeta.socal ??
So people can also make the other accounts to help free people.

atomicpoet,

@ArtBear Eh, if the server explicitly Fediblocks from , it will be hard to for Meta users to migrate to it.

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