Lucidlethargy,

Anything is better than Mac… I hate how every time I try to push the green circle in the top left it now goes into full screen mode (if you don’t hold option every single time). Who the fuck wants full screen mode?

That one feature is honestly enough to use anything else. It didn’t used to be this way… But Apple has been screwing up their products for over a decade now.

piexil,

Full screen mode kicks ass on a laptop.

Swiping between all full screen with trackpad gestures is the workflow on macOS I really like

boredsquirrel,

Can you change these colored circles to symbols? Red/green are horrible, I can mostly not differetiate them

ForgotAboutDre,

You can change them to grey circles.

boredsquirrel,

I hope this is a joke

ForgotAboutDre,

It’s a nice aesthetic choice in macos. They got rid of the icons, I always thought the order was clear. It’s like a car clutch closes the engine from the wheels, brake slows the car (minimise) and accelerator maximises.

boredsquirrel,

I think the windows layout makes more sense, also used on Android, ChromeOS, KDE, LXQt, XFCE, Budgie, Mate, Ubuntu GNOME, Cosmic-Epoch, …

And still every one of them still has the symbols displayed.

meliante,

Doesn’t gnome only have close?

boredsquirrel,

Yes but you can add all buttons.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Somehow I never considered that, MacOS’ stupid stoplight buttons aren’t particularly accessible, are they?

boredsquirrel,

No they arent

RiderExMachina,

Are you red-green colorblind?

boredsquirrel, (edited )

Yes. Pretty common among men, a trait from their mothers as it lies on the X chromosome. Most women dont have it, as they have a healthy one and it is recessive.

acockworkorange,

I work with industrial human machine interfaces, used to operate heavy machinery. The prevalence of some form of colorblindness in the male population is around 15-17%, and most heavy machine operators are men.

It’s enough of a safety issue that standards call for at least 2 ways of communicating alarms - most commonly shapes and colors, in many cases text is also used. The use of colors to indicate status (pump running, valve closed, etc) is also limited to colors with a distinct luminance value so that even people with full colorblindness can operate them easily.

In the past, many HMIs were made in which green meant running, red stopped, yellow alarm… let’s just say a lot of people had to be maimed and killed before the standard was issued.

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Why don’t you just use key commands?

verdigris,

You’re right, a keyboard-driven tiling wm does seem like a better idea.

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Most OSs have an app for it, if it’s not already built in.

0x0f,

they change to symbols when hovering, i don’t think they have a a11y setting for them :/

boredsquirrel,

Wow apple, great job!

tiredofsametab,

We are polar opposites; I almost never want something not in fullscreen, hah. I've been using a mac for work for a bit over a year now and hate it.

kalleboo,

They changed that to appeal to Windows users, people who were raised on Windows are absolutely obsessed with full screening everything for some reason

iiGxC,

Tiling window manager users: nervous glance

embed_me,
@embed_me@programming.dev avatar

What’s wrong with fullscreen?

I can’t imagine coding in a small window when you have the whole screen

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

Mac OS from the very start has been about opening (and then stacking windows) on top of other windows. The entire OS has been built around it since 1.0. Once you accept that’s how it works it’s UI/UX makes a lot more sense.

Sekki,

I think he is talking about how the default is full screen instead of maximize window. Full screen meaning the entire screen with no application and system bar visible and maximized window meaning taking the whole space but still showing the application and system bar. Anecdotally I have seen many more mac users doing stuff in a small window than windows or linux users.

idefix,

Thanks for explaining, I was really confused there

embed_me, (edited )
@embed_me@programming.dev avatar

I think I get your explanation but I rarely see people in windows using fullscreen (videos and games don’t count ofc), windowed mode is the default so I don’t get the comment

OhNoMoreLemmy,

It’s very true on a Mac. Almost every time you click the green button, it jumps to full screen and then you can’t drag another window on top of it.

It’s a pain in the arse because my workflow is to have a reading screen with documents and emails on, and a work screen with whatever I’m actually doing. But if outlook is full screen, you can’t drag any other windows on top of it.

Don’t know why the first guy was saying this is a Windows thing though. I only run onto it on macs.

Sekki,

I specifically said anecdotlly. Your experience and my experience a not representative of anything. Also that is only a small portion of my comment and was meant more a a sidenote.

We were also not talking about windowed mode at all here. It was specifically about what happens when you press the green window control button, which as far as I know puts the app in fullscreen on macos and the equivalent on any other OS known to me is to maximize the window.

boredsquirrel,

The difference is fullscreen vs maximized window. The former hides the dock and panel

possiblylinux127,

Not to mention it is the most broken and slow desktop I have ever used

Anticorp,

As a regular user of both, I’m able to accomplish custom stuff faster with Linux, but Mac is pretty hands off once you get it set up. That said, it’s a garbage OS out of the box. It’s 2024 and it doesn’t even have windows snapping or back button support. You have to install and configure 3rd party tools to make it behave like something created in the last two decades. I’m pretty sure Apple doesn’t give a shit about their Mac OS anymore, since most of their money comes from iOS and store purchases/subscriptions.

asbestos,
@asbestos@lemmy.world avatar

That’s because Microsoft has patented window snapping. Third party apps are still there because they aren’t worth chasing.

Womble, (edited )

I mean gnome and kde both have it so that doesnt feel correct for why macos doesnt.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

The 3rd party apps on Mac are probably about as popular gnome or KDE.

milicent_bystandr,

If true, presumably that gnome and kde don’t believe in the software patent but Apple doesn’t want to try its luck and risk getting in a lawsuit.

(That said, they’re not exactly short of lawyers for a lawsuit… Maybe it’s in their interest to uphold the principle of software patents?)

ozymandias117,

Gnome and KDE had this feature LONG before Microsoft, so they have prior art to prove it’s an invalid patent

abuttandahalf,

How was the patent approved if it already existed tf.

gjoel,

My impression is that many parents are just approved by default, letting the courts determine validity… Good for the patent office, great for the lawyers.

abuttandahalf,

That’s horrendous

gjoel,

Please note that I did mean patents in the above comment. I will let the typo stay though.

meliante,

Even if it did exist Microsoft would be obligated to litigate with kde/gnome use of it.

ozymandias117,

Yeah, I meant it’s unlikely Microsoft would try to sue Gnome or KDE for it, because they’d likely lose the patent

meliante,

Yeah but my understanding is if they have a patent or the copyright or whatever it is, if they do not go after any single possible infringement, they’re potentially throwing away those rights at a later time. At least that’s how I understand it works in the USA at least?

ozymandias117,

I believe you’re thinking of trademarks

Delusion6903,

I use both Mac and Pop!_OS (Gnome) and I like and dislike both. MacOS has a great qulcklook that I miss in Gnome. Sushi almost corrected that oversight but it hasn’t worked right for me in a couple of years now. I also like Mac’s useful icon shortcut in the window title bar.

Gnome’s extension system is a clusterfuck, but at least I can decide how windows function, unlike Mac.

Anticorp,

What is the quick look function you’re referring to? Are you talking about command spacebar to quickly find stuff? You can do that in Pop with the super key.

Delusion6903,

I’m talking about previewing PDFs, mp4s, and photos in the finder by selecting the file and hitting the spacebar.

And Linux really needs an app like Preview too.

Anticorp,

Huh, I didn’t even know that existed. Thanks!

possiblylinux127,

Mac OS isn’t really usable for most people

HollandJim,

And Linux is?

I want you to tell grandma how to update her video driver. Over the phone.

idefix,

It’s quite amazing you’ve picked that example. I just didn’t remember some people had to mess with video drivers. Last time I’ve done it was probably a decade ago, on Windows.

Gjoel,
@Gjoel@mstdn.dk avatar

@HollandJim @possiblylinux127 I had my mom running Linux. The biggest issues came from her expecting to having to install drivers and stuff when attaching a printer. " How do I make it work?" It just does. Linux issues only appeared because Windows is difficult.

lemmyvore,

I get your point but truth be told I never expected any family member to update their own stuff. If they want my help I take away their admin rights and do everything myself, remotely when needed. And Linux is much easier to deal with than Windows.

HollandJim, (edited )

Everyones own milage may vary, I’m not going to argue every comment. Good they can use Linux though - my parents never wanted to know anything but be pure users, so I did the same for them and in out case Mac was easier.

I just don’t see the point of slighting any OS when it’s used as an appliance, which - for the most part with family, is its role.

verdigris, (edited )

My mom is not technical in the slightest and she’s been very happily using a laptop with Fedora Silverblue on it for 4+ years. I’ve had to help her with two problems, one of which didn’t even end up being a Linux problem.

uranibaba,

Regardless of OS, I wouldn’t.

Retiring,
@Retiring@lemmy.ml avatar

Why would grandma want to do that? I have set up computers for tech illiterate people with Linux quite successfully. You just tell them: „if it wants your password, you did something wrong. Never enter your password, unless you know exactly why“ Set and forget.

psud,

Watch out if they have fingerprint login. Ubuntu, at least, doesn’t unlock the user’s keyring if they log in by fingerprint, and are quickly presented with a password prompt to unlock the keyring

jjlinux,

Best suggestion ever 🤣🤣

possiblylinux127,

Buy your grandma a tablet or Chromebook

jjlinux,

Only if you hate her.

Schorsch,

I have been using Linux since 2007. I have never had to update video drivers manually.

Sure, I don’t do gaming. But neither do most grandmothers.

jjlinux,

Easy: “grandma, click update on the pop-up. Now restart. Done. What are you cooking for dinner tonight?”

Anticorp,

I wouldn’t have to if she were using Pop!_OS. It’s completely self maintaining. Next time she turns it on it’ll install any pending updates.

possiblylinux127,

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  • psud,

    But she already has a perfectly good machine, is just super slow on the newest version of windows

    Railcar8095,

    Steps with Bazzite:

    1. Restart the computer
    2. Not needed, 1 did it.
    3. Seriously, 1 was all it takes. If there’s an update, it installs on boot
    DmMacniel,

    Atomic/Immutables are nice eh?

    8Bitz0,

    Have an update that completely breaks everything on your system? Just revert to the previous image and it’s no problem.

    These immutable distros have so much potential. Especially for the tech illiterate. I really encourage anyone who hasn’t yet to give them a shot.

    Of course they aren’t for everybody, as it makes it far harder to make system-level changes on the local system.

    Murdoc,

    My mother used Kubuntu for the last two decades of her life, and she was a great-grandmother.

    tsonfeir,
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    Linux isn’t really usable for most people

    njordomir,

    I think this is mostly because people who know about it have a mental block that it’s only for nerds. Millions have been using Android on their phones for years, though we’ll limit ourselves to desktop GNU/Linux type distributions for this discussion.

    Actual usage of Linux has gotten much easier since 2006ish when I first tried it out. With all the popups and ads in Windows nowadays, its rapidly becoming harder to use than Linux, something I did not expect. I don’t see a combined Linux User Group/ Bingo Club/ Bridge Group forming anytime soon, but Linux Mint isn’t any harder to use than Windows, even for normies with an average level of tech skills.

    boredsquirrel,

    Wtf why are people downvoting this.

    jbk,

    some people need to grow up lol

    ZeroHora,
    @ZeroHora@lemmy.ml avatar

    some people hate gnome

    Anticorp,

    Some people hate life.

    Fizz,
    @Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

    BIG kDE is suppressing this post.

    boredsquirrel, (edited )

    I use Plasma 6 myself and it is pretty awesome. But GNOME (which is btw pronounced as in a-gn-ostic) is also cool

    milicent_bystandr,

    The big shadowy kabal of would-be konquerors…

    warmaster,

    KDE echo chamber

    boredsquirrel,

    I use KDE but GNOME is cool too lol.

    Btw it is pronounced with a G.

    possiblylinux127,

    Just no

    boredsquirrel,

    m.dict.cc/deutsch-englisch/gnu.html

    Halmafelix pronounces Gnu (the animal) which is just the same as GNOME.

    G-N-O-M-E

    possiblylinux127,

    Its gnome

    Velonie,

    Like Genome? Or Guh-nome?

    boredsquirrel, (edited )

    Hahaha no like GNOME

    m.dict.cc/deutsch-englisch/gnu.html

    The Halmafelix voice pronounces it correctly.

    But thats not your fault, english is like french, not pronouncing the G in gnome. It is like a-gn-ostic

    acockworkorange,

    Genome

    That’s so cursed.

    Anticorp,

    You will never make me pronounce the G. Never!

    Blizzard,

    Wait, you don’t pronounce the G? So it’s like… “NOM-NOM-NOM”?

    https://lemmy.zip/pictrs/image/ea9c622d-83cd-43a0-894e-912e38a0cace.webp

    Anticorp,

    LOL. Yes, but add an E at the end. Like this::

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0e804407-c276-4dea-b026-31a4e5f8514d.png

    boredsquirrel,

    Thats only in english. In german it is Gnom and you pronounce the Gn correctly.

    jjlinux,

    Oh, this is getting dangerous now.

    tsonfeir,
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    GIF has a hard G, unlike gNOME. 🔪

    jjlinux,

    Pronounced “Jif”?

    tsonfeir,
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    jNOME ;)

    jjlinux,

    “gee-nome”? Got it!

    boredsquirrel,

    like in a-gn-ostic ?

    tsonfeir,
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    Gonna-nome?

    jjlinux,

    (⁀ᗢ⁀)

    boredsquirrel,

    Agonnanostic

    captain_aggravated,
    @captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

    It’s pronounced “juh-know-may.”

    jjlinux,

    Only if you have a Klingon accent.

    captain_aggravated,
    @captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

    It’s a Klingon tea-like beverage. A warrior’s drink!

    jjlinux, (edited )

    Ah, warm beer, yes!

    ReakDuck,

    GDE?

    boredsquirrel,

    Or as english people would say DE

    warmaster,

    I also use KDE because it’s better for gaming. But I love GNOME’s UX/UI. I wish I could go back.

    xnx,

    In what ways is it better for gaming?

    DmMacniel,

    The Gamecontroller calibration and test all is pretty nifty in KDE. Something like that is dearly missing on GNOME.

    bigmclargehuge, (edited )
    @bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world avatar

    I use jstest-gtk. Really light handy tool for testing and calibration. Antimicrox also works great for rebinding controllers.

    boredsquirrel,

    Checkout some videos by Michael Horn, GNOME 46 is actually pretty good for gaming.

    redeven,
    @redeven@lemmy.world avatar

    Same, only reasons I had to move to KDE were, GNOME crashes when both my monitors are off (so, every night when I go to sleep), and tray icons are terrible (as GNOME intentionally doesn’t support them), the extensions are all very lacking in features compared to the Windows tray (kde somewhat matches almost everything except being able to reorder the icons).

    The ArcMenu extension is by far the start menu I’ve liked the most out of all options on linux, and it saddens me that there’s no KDE plasmoid/widget variant

    terminhell,

    I prefer KDE for desktops, but gnome for laptops. However I’ve been using gnome on my desktop for a while now. With some minor customizations it’s fine.

    taladar,

    As someone who had to help coworkers with Windows, Mac and Linux problems one of the main problems of macOS is the fact that you have to use the clumsy GUI for so many things and that the Unix-like underpinnings are badly maintained and outdated so many systems have several versions of the same tool installed in various locations (OS-, Homebrew-, MacPorts- or whatever other package manager of the day versions).

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